Richmond Park by-election.
Discussion
BlackLabel said:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/zac-goldsm...
Yes probably a wise decision really as they would have potentially handed the seat to the lib Dems.
Agreed - probably better to carry his vote in the commons on the majority of issues than to lose a seat to LibDems.Yes probably a wise decision really as they would have potentially handed the seat to the lib Dems.
don'tbesilly said:
Ayahuasca said:
don'tbesilly said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
How much money does a by-election cost the taxpayer to service this guys ego?
What's it got to do with an ego?The Guy doesn't agree with the decision, he's been firmly against Heathrow expanding for many years,he's an environmentalist,he recognises the devastation this will inflict on those who elected him, and he's threatened to resign over the issue for as many years as he's campaigned against it.
It's nothing to do with an ego, more showing a conviction, demonstrating such a conviction, and acting on it by resigning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37764269
What part of the above are you struggling with?
As an independent he won't be standing as a Conservative MP, and him winning as an independent is far from as certain as you suggest.
ATG said:
Murph7355 said:
Jimboka said:
A good opportunity for LDs to give them a kicking over Brexit..
Do STFU you cretin. If the LD's win, and they might well as the seat used to be a stronghold of theirs, it will purely be down to locals whining about the runway. Which drowns out the noise of the planes they "suffer" from and almost, but not quite, your incessant blubbing on the referendum you tool.
I can't see Goldsmith winning as an independent. I'm not convinced he's personally that popular. But stranger things have happened.
The LDs will need to chuck money at it, and try and find a half decent candidate though.
Peculiar.
But I doubt you would be so rude when not behind a keyboard...
The LDs will turn this into a Brexit protest vote as was clearly repirted on news outlets today, not Heathrow as they are both against that.
I thought you know would have known that before throwing around playground insults
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3872794/Za...
Will report the insulting language in the morning
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 26th October 00:49
Vaud said:
Why is he an idiot?
Because this is about his vanity and ego and nothing to do with democracy.If he was not to stand again as an independent I would have some respect. He will likely win and will no doubt continue to support Conservatism and will not affect the Heathrow process one little bit.
GoneAnon said:
He's resigned but the tories won't field a candidate against him? They know that he will vote with the government for pretty much everything else so why risk splitting their vote.
For him, it sounds like a bit of a onvenient way to say how honourable he's being while knowing that he will likely keep his seat and all the perks that go with it.
I agree it does feel a bit like an ego thing for him at the taxpayer's expense so I hope he/they lose.
You do realise that Zac Goldsmith is a multi millionaire? I don't think £72k and - let's be generous - the same again in expenses are really motivating him.For him, it sounds like a bit of a onvenient way to say how honourable he's being while knowing that he will likely keep his seat and all the perks that go with it.
I agree it does feel a bit like an ego thing for him at the taxpayer's expense so I hope he/they lose.
That said, I wouldn't see this as a shoe-in; he struggles to connect with the electorate, as we saw in the mayoral contest, and the Lib Dems are strong in that part of the world.
rallycross said:
If my sources(*) are correct its going to be a UkiP win, based on Zak Goldsmith changing party and becoming the new leader of UKiP and standing for re-election as the Ukip candidate for Richmond.
If you lived or worked in Richmond you'd know how crazy adding another runway to Heathrow is going to be, as it is there seems to be a plane overhead every 60 seconds or so and everyone knows how bad traffic is all round West London, it will be even worse with an extra runway at H/R.
I do live in Richmond, directly under the flight path when they're using the Southern runway, a little off to the side when they're on the Northern runway. Very early in the morning they use both at the same time.If you lived or worked in Richmond you'd know how crazy adding another runway to Heathrow is going to be, as it is there seems to be a plane overhead every 60 seconds or so and everyone knows how bad traffic is all round West London, it will be even worse with an extra runway at H/R.
Don't have a problem with the planes to be honest, you get used to them very quickly and barely notice them; decent double glazing helps as well. Neighbours' washing machines are more of a nuisance because their noise comes at unpredictable times, whereas the planes being there all the time, you really do just tune them out. In fact it's the odd days that Heathrow has been shut for whatever reason, e.g. weather or other incidents, that are the memorable ones, as they are too quiet!
Besides planes are only getting quieter as engine technology improves. Of the few we do notice any noise it's the old heavy 747s that come in in the morning. Once those are finally retired, we're laughing.
I don't agree that traffic around West London is that bad, the A4/M4 generally flows, I have frequently sat in far worse snarl ups in Central and East London, especially around Blackwall and Greenwich. Or anywhere with a football ground when there's a match on.
As a resident I think the LDs will retake the seat. I can't say that Zac has made a lot of difference to the area. Him saying he would resign was a mistake all along, he would be better placed to fight the fight he's on by remaining on the inside of the party. Plus there are other issues that we care about, not just Heathrow!
Jimboka said:
Better tell that to the LDs then.
But I doubt you would be so rude when not behind a keyboard......
Whether you or the LibDems wish to cite any change as Brexit related does not necessarily make it so. It's opportunistic whining. Again. (All of which - not just yours - is making this enclave of PH, which used to be a good place for news and reasonable debate a while ago, tedious in the extreme. Little new being added to the debate, just constant tit for tat from both sides).But I doubt you would be so rude when not behind a keyboard......
If I were around you in person sufficiently to have to contend with your bleating, I'd be exactly the same as I am behind the keyboard.
ATG said:
Murph7355 said:
Jimboka said:
A good opportunity for LDs to give them a kicking over Brexit..
Do STFU you cretin. If the LD's win, and they might well as the seat used to be a stronghold of theirs, it will purely be down to locals whining about the runway. Which drowns out the noise of the planes they "suffer" from and almost, but not quite, your incessant blubbing on the referendum you tool.
I can't see Goldsmith winning as an independent. I'm not convinced he's personally that popular. But stranger things have happened.
The LDs will need to chuck money at it, and try and find a half decent candidate though.
Peculiar.
insults?
Game set & match to me i'd say
Don't bother apologising but i'd suggest you check your facts before turning all internet warrior ..
ClaphamGT3 said:
GoneAnon said:
He's resigned but the tories won't field a candidate against him? They know that he will vote with the government for pretty much everything else so why risk splitting their vote.
For him, it sounds like a bit of a onvenient way to say how honourable he's being while knowing that he will likely keep his seat and all the perks that go with it.
I agree it does feel a bit like an ego thing for him at the taxpayer's expense so I hope he/they lose.
You do realise that Zac Goldsmith is a multi millionaire? I don't think £72k and - let's be generous - the same again in expenses are really motivating him.For him, it sounds like a bit of a onvenient way to say how honourable he's being while knowing that he will likely keep his seat and all the perks that go with it.
I agree it does feel a bit like an ego thing for him at the taxpayer's expense so I hope he/they lose.
That said, I wouldn't see this as a shoe-in; he struggles to connect with the electorate, as we saw in the mayoral contest, and the Lib Dems are strong in that part of the world.
ClaphamGT3 said:
Very much to the post above about disruption, unless you have lived in the area since before 1947, I can't really see what you have to complain about
I'm of a similar mind. I cannot see how anyone who chooses to live on the doorstep of an international airport can be outraged when its enlarged . Surely, anyone who chooses to live in such a location should be aware that matters can, and likely will change? The nearest international airport to me, is near 60 miles away, I would not live near one for all the tea in China.
I think the result is anything but a foregone conclusion. A good proportion of his constituency (including me) is on the south side of Richmond Park and so not exactly pre-occupied with how many runways Heathrow has, or theoretically might have in future.
Going purely on the basis of his performance as a constituency MP my feeling he has done a good job. He is also very visible and accessible which is more than can be said for the previous nutters. There is a big 'remain' support in the constituency though. If the Lib Dems put up someone half sensible then they have a chance on the basis of reducing May's parliamentary majority and making a 'hard' Brexit more difficult, in the Commons at least.
Going purely on the basis of his performance as a constituency MP my feeling he has done a good job. He is also very visible and accessible which is more than can be said for the previous nutters. There is a big 'remain' support in the constituency though. If the Lib Dems put up someone half sensible then they have a chance on the basis of reducing May's parliamentary majority and making a 'hard' Brexit more difficult, in the Commons at least.
"Put the national interest first"? More like saving themselves from a dire result.
Labour frontbenchers have called on the party not to put forward a candidate to run against Zac Goldsmith in the forthcoming Richmond Park byelection, to give the Liberal Democrats a clear path to try to snatch the seat. Clive Lewis, the shadow business secretary, Jonathan Reynolds, the shadow City minister, and Lisa Nandy, a former shadow cabinet minister, said Labour should “put the national interest first” by doing what it could to reduce the Conservatives’ majority.
Labour frontbenchers have called on the party not to put forward a candidate to run against Zac Goldsmith in the forthcoming Richmond Park byelection, to give the Liberal Democrats a clear path to try to snatch the seat. Clive Lewis, the shadow business secretary, Jonathan Reynolds, the shadow City minister, and Lisa Nandy, a former shadow cabinet minister, said Labour should “put the national interest first” by doing what it could to reduce the Conservatives’ majority.
Edited by BlackLabel on Wednesday 26th October 21:15
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