White Flight and failing Integration
Discussion
Quiet day here at work...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/wfd/ted-cantle-and-e...
Increased segregation, getting worse over the last 15 years, obviously large towns and cities fair worse than rural areas.
I like this quote;
... present patterns suggest that policies may be needed to encourage White British residents to remain in diverse areas; to choose, rather than avoid, diverse areas when they do re-locate...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/wfd/ted-cantle-and-e...
Increased segregation, getting worse over the last 15 years, obviously large towns and cities fair worse than rural areas.
I like this quote;
... present patterns suggest that policies may be needed to encourage White British residents to remain in diverse areas; to choose, rather than avoid, diverse areas when they do re-locate...
Alucidnation said:
Intergration will never happen IMO.
I agree my aunty lived in Bradford, she ended up the last white person in her street, it was made clear by the Asian community that she was not welcome, subtle pressure was applied ( easy to do to an 80 year old)and she ended up selling her house at a reduced amount.Apply a class lens to it rather than a race one and there is a much more sophisticated picture and what you see isn't a picture of failing integration.
There's also the matter of urban settlement patterns. There are areas where very few people who have a choice choose to live in and when they can they move on, immigrants move in and over time the hipster 20 somethings move back towards these areas lured by cheap rent and fairly central locations.
The challenge is actually what to do in the places where there is no longer any population churn. Those places that no one in their right mind wants to spend time in. In my experience that applies as much to sink estates with white so called 'working class' communities as well as the backend of Blackburn or wherever.
There's also the matter of urban settlement patterns. There are areas where very few people who have a choice choose to live in and when they can they move on, immigrants move in and over time the hipster 20 somethings move back towards these areas lured by cheap rent and fairly central locations.
The challenge is actually what to do in the places where there is no longer any population churn. Those places that no one in their right mind wants to spend time in. In my experience that applies as much to sink estates with white so called 'working class' communities as well as the backend of Blackburn or wherever.
Or rather make these areas appealing for entrepreneurs (ignore the colour/religion/music taste) to move in to and help regenerate what are typically poor neighbourhoods.
In the north where the housing challenges are not the same as London, gentrification of areas does not necessarily lead to the displacement of whichever 'community' is settled in a neighbourhood.
In the north where the housing challenges are not the same as London, gentrification of areas does not necessarily lead to the displacement of whichever 'community' is settled in a neighbourhood.
Those who live there tend to hold up London as an example to the rest of the country, the future of the UK if you will.
The inconvenient truth, if that is indeed the case, is that the future doesn't have a white British working class. Between 2001 and 2011 the white British population of London fell by 620,000, at a time when the capital's population was rising, and this drop was concentrated among the working class.
I was one of those 620,000, and very pleased I made that decision.
The inconvenient truth, if that is indeed the case, is that the future doesn't have a white British working class. Between 2001 and 2011 the white British population of London fell by 620,000, at a time when the capital's population was rising, and this drop was concentrated among the working class.
I was one of those 620,000, and very pleased I made that decision.
PRTVR said:
I agree my aunty lived in Bradford, she ended up the last white person in her street, it was made clear by the Asian community that she was not welcome, subtle pressure was applied ( easy to do to an 80 year old)and she ended up selling her house at a reduced amount.
A reduced amount compared to what?Thankyou4calling said:
PRTVR said:
I agree my aunty lived in Bradford, she ended up the last white person in her street, it was made clear by the Asian community that she was not welcome, subtle pressure was applied ( easy to do to an 80 year old)and she ended up selling her house at a reduced amount.
A reduced amount compared to what?Alucidnation said:
Intergration will never happen IMO.
My gran was more or less an immigrant. She was 'one of them' for years. For me there was only one instance of rejection and that from a sour old ruminant who was only happy making people as unhappy as her.I'm British. My father thought of himself as entirely British, as did his brothers and sisters that survived the wars.
Integration happens.
Derek Smith said:
Alucidnation said:
Intergration will never happen IMO.
My gran was more or less an immigrant. She was 'one of them' for years. For me there was only one instance of rejection and that from a sour old ruminant who was only happy making people as unhappy as her.I'm British. My father thought of himself as entirely British, as did his brothers and sisters that survived the wars.
Integration happens.
ttier areas they do... Oh and ethnic minorities and are immigrants are poor. So what have we learnt here today? Anything new?fesuvious said:
The sooner we stop making this a skin colour issue the better.
This isn't a skin colour issue, and hasn't been for decades.
The is a religion/culture issue. The media and political class are too frightened to acknowledge this though.
There is one class that a awful lot of Sikh, Hindi, White, brown, black, pink, Irish and god knows how many more just do not want to live with.
Bigot!!This isn't a skin colour issue, and hasn't been for decades.
The is a religion/culture issue. The media and political class are too frightened to acknowledge this though.
There is one class that a awful lot of Sikh, Hindi, White, brown, black, pink, Irish and god knows how many more just do not want to live with.
Derek Smith said:
Alucidnation said:
Intergration will never happen IMO.
My gran was more or less an immigrant. She was 'one of them' for years. For me there was only one instance of rejection and that from a sour old ruminant who was only happy making people as unhappy as her.I'm British. My father thought of himself as entirely British, as did his brothers and sisters that survived the wars.
Integration happens.
If you are in a large, insular community of like minded people, why integrate?
If you are "the only Asian in the village" you are going to integrate pretty quickly.
In my view one of the purposes of immigration policy is to maintain social cohesion by keeping immigration at or below that level.
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