White Flight and failing Integration

White Flight and failing Integration

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Pothole

34,367 posts

282 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Derek Smith said:
Alucidnation said:
Intergration will never happen IMO.
My gran was more or less an immigrant. She was 'one of them' for years. For me there was only one instance of rejection and that from a sour old ruminant who was only happy making people as unhappy as her.

I'm British. My father thought of himself as entirely British, as did his brothers and sisters that survived the wars.

Integration happens.
what about "intergration"?

Pothole

34,367 posts

282 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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REALIST123 said:
Derek Smith said:
Alucidnation said:
Intergration will never happen IMO.
My gran was more or less an immigrant. She was 'one of them' for years. For me there was only one instance of rejection and that from a sour old ruminant who was only happy making people as unhappy as her.

I'm British. My father thought of himself as entirely British, as did his brothers and sisters that survived the wars.

Integration happens.
Depends on how you define integration. Been to Leicester, Bradford, Blackburn, recently?
I lived in Leicester for 4 years. I haven't a clue what you're on about.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Mothersruin said:
Alpinestars said:
Mothersruin said:
Alpinestars said:
Mothersruin said:
Countdown said:
Mothersruin said:
The people that live on the estate Countdown mentioned don't pretend to be followers of the true word of god, with all the peace, love and harmony that brings.
What difference does it make what religion they are? Do you think the aggro that KarlMac’s grandparents was religiously motivated?
So religion is irrelevant?
It was irrelevant to the example Countdown gave. Integration, by definition, requires both sides to integrate, ie, the indigenous population to allow others in, and vice versa. Any estate where people of a different background are not allowed in, creates segregation.
I have a different definition of 'Integration' to you. You mean 'compromise'.

Btw - I think it's st that any area of the UK isn't welcoming to those that want to become British.
We're talking integration, not compromise. Allowing people in is the first part of integration.

It's also st that any area of the UK isn't welcoming to those that want to retain their Britishness.
'Allowing people in is the first part of integration'.

Honestly, I don't know what this means from a host country point of view.
In the context of what's being discussed, you should know. We're talking about letting people who are different to the local poplulation of a village/estate/town/street etc etc, reside in that place, peacefully and hopefully welcomingly. If the locals don't allow that, you'll never see integration of the two populations. It's not about just compromising.

princeperch

7,924 posts

247 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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sugerbear said:
I was born in Leyton and lived there until my early twenties. My parents in Hackney and Shoreditch. My parents were working class but I am certainly not. They wanted us to do well and better ourselves. They didn't live in a council house even though their parents did.

There were two types of people that I found when I was growing up. Those that that wanted to do well and get out as quickly as possible and the idiots that dicked around at school and ended up in a factory making stuff for minimal wage. The latter are still there moaning that all the whites have moved out. They went North to the suburbs.

It isn't a problem because no one wants to move to the cheap parts of London. There are much nicer parts of the country to live in.
You may well be surprised at the changes in Leyton and Leytonstone over the past few years. It's changed beyond recognition.

rambo19

2,740 posts

137 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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In order for integration to work, people need to want to integrate.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

77 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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rambo19 said:
In order for integration to work, people need to want to integrate.
Particular religions (combined with the source of the immigration), do not care about compromise or integration.
The locals once "outnumbered" can go without a care, any regret or regard for their wishes. With examples of such in every corner of the Uk and the Eu is there any surprise that communities resist the "influx" into areas they regard as home ?

jonah35

3,940 posts

157 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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At work people have to follow protocols and in the real world they do
fact is that people are people. No matter how much the BBC push multi culturalism some people just stay the same and have ingrained views which won’t change.
They will give the politically correct answer but then vote their true feelings

The Tory election victory
Brexit
Donald Trump

Personally I’d feel a bit more comfortable if people could say what they felt but you just can’t anymore because you could lose your job and therefore your home, livelihood and family

It has become a bit of a rigid state without anyone realising.

Imagine someone coming on here, an employee of a U.K. company and explaining why religions and races shouldn’t mix. Chances are they would be fired.


Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Saying something as stupid as 'races' shouldn't mix just goes against the current paradigm, 60 years ago it would have been reversed, and those open lipped about 'mixing' would have hampered their chances at the office or elsewhere.

oilbethere

908 posts

81 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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jonah35 said:
At work people have to follow protocols and in the real world they do
fact is that people are people. No matter how much the BBC push multi culturalism some people just stay the same and have ingrained views which won’t change.
They will give the politically correct answer but then vote their true feelings

The Tory election victory
Brexit
Donald Trump

Personally I’d feel a bit more comfortable if people could say what they felt but you just can’t anymore because you could lose your job and therefore your home, livelihood and family

It has become a bit of a rigid state without anyone realising.


Imagine someone coming on here, an employee of a U.K. company and explaining why religions and races shouldn’t mix. Chances are they would be fired.
It will end in tears the liberal left are the fascists.


Edited by oilbethere on Tuesday 23 January 22:44

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Halb said:
Saying something as stupid as 'races' shouldn't mix just goes against the current paradigm, 60 years ago it would have been reversed, and those open lipped about 'mixing' would have hampered their chances at the office or elsewhere.
Evolution is a slow process for some.

oilbethere

908 posts

81 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Alpinestars said:
Evolution is a slow process for some.
100% imagine breeding with blood relatives to keep wealth in the family.

andymc

7,353 posts

207 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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oilbethere said:
Alpinestars said:
Evolution is a slow process for some.
100% imagine breeding with blood relatives to keep wealth in the family.
the issue about lack of integration seems to centre around British/Pakistanis

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

77 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Alpinestars said:
Evolution is a slow process for some.
Yet "the enlightened ones" have evolved to be blind, the destruction they allow to happen to others less advanced than them passes by with a wave of the hand.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Alpinestars said:
Evolution is a slow process for some.
Yet "the enlightened ones" have evolved to be blind, the destruction they allow to happen to others less advanced than them passes by with a wave of the hand.
People can look blind when you look through myopic lenses. The world's moved on.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Alpinestars said:
People can look blind when you look through myopic lenses. The world's moved on.
You gotta dance, boss. You can think and you can fight, but the world’s always movin’, and if you wanna stay ahead you gotta dance.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

77 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Alpinestars said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Alpinestars said:
Evolution is a slow process for some.
Yet "the enlightened ones" have evolved to be blind, the destruction they allow to happen to others less advanced than them passes by with a wave of the hand.
People can look blind when you look through myopic lenses. The world's moved on.
~ waves hand ~

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Halb said:
You gotta dance, boss. You can think and you can fight, but the world’s always movin’, and if you wanna stay ahead you gotta dance.
I loved Men without hats too.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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Funkycoldribena said:
Halb said:
You gotta dance, boss. You can think and you can fight, but the world’s always movin’, and if you wanna stay ahead you gotta dance.
I loved Men without hats too.

227bhp

10,203 posts

128 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2018
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rambo19 said:
In order for integration to work, people need to want to integrate.
No st Sherlock.

vonuber

17,868 posts

165 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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oilbethere said:
100% imagine breeding with blood relatives to keep wealth in the family.
Well it has kept them on the throne.