White Flight and failing Integration
Discussion
anonymous said:
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I liked the last model more I think. When I was a child every Asian uncle if mine drove a datsun of some description. A c63 must be progress.
Putting aside the bigoted nonsense I'm not sure what Ted is actually saying in this bit of research. I'd welcome something qualitative that identifies if some communities integrate better than others, why and then what the state can do to support this. Of course it would help if we were clear what we meant by the term integration. If it's be like 'us' there are plenty of 'us' I want nothing to be like.
Not sure why the government is sat on the Casey review, though her troubled families stuff was a complete failure.
Having had the misfortune to grow up in the multicultural s
thole that is Peterborough, I can say that multiculturalism does not, and never will work.
The city was divided into very distinct sections: white British working class, which was me,long term Pakistani immigrants, Italians who had come over after the war and various enclaves of Eastern European workers
In my experience,if you were a Pakistani you would never ever enter the white British council estates and vice versa and the Eastern Europeans were massively resented by pretty much all, despite being decent, hardworking people.
I went back to visit last year and It's even more divided than ever since Brexit
thole that is Peterborough, I can say that multiculturalism does not, and never will work.The city was divided into very distinct sections: white British working class, which was me,long term Pakistani immigrants, Italians who had come over after the war and various enclaves of Eastern European workers
In my experience,if you were a Pakistani you would never ever enter the white British council estates and vice versa and the Eastern Europeans were massively resented by pretty much all, despite being decent, hardworking people.
I went back to visit last year and It's even more divided than ever since Brexit
Edited by jogger1976 on Thursday 3rd November 20:40
Edited by jogger1976 on Thursday 3rd November 20:41
Edited by jogger1976 on Thursday 3rd November 20:45
RedTrident said:
desolate said:
del mar said:
They all believe in;
same god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
Load of bsame god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
ks.Ignorant f
knut.Robertj21a said:
REALIST123 said:
Depends on how you define integration. Been to Leicester, Bradford, Blackburn, recently?
Been to all, regularly. Not fair to include Leicester, which is far more integrated than many others.open gang/drug warfare between somlali and asian drug gangs
citizensm1th said:
i work in leicester and it bloody well isnt highfields and the area behind the railway station are virtual no go areas
open gang/drug warfare between somlali and asian drug gangs
Far worse cities around. Not many problem areas in Leicester for the size of the place and the range of different cultures. Agree about the Somalis though, they seem to be a problem in a number of cities.open gang/drug warfare between somlali and asian drug gangs
Alpinestars said:
RedTrident said:
desolate said:
del mar said:
They all believe in;
same god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
Load of bsame god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
ks.Ignorant f
knut.del mar said:
Quiet day here at work...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/wfd/ted-cantle-and-e...
Increased segregation, getting worse over the last 15 years, obviously large towns and cities fair worse than rural areas.
I like this quote;
... present patterns suggest that policies may be needed to encourage White British residents to remain in diverse areas; to choose, rather than avoid, diverse areas when they do re-locate...
Got to laugh haven't you, the article is an admission that a policy of promoting multiculturalism has caused segregation and widespread failure to integrate - the immigrants prefer their own 'type' and deliberately 'colonise' an area, and then it blames it on the 'indigenous' whites anyway.https://www.opendemocracy.net/wfd/ted-cantle-and-e...
Increased segregation, getting worse over the last 15 years, obviously large towns and cities fair worse than rural areas.
I like this quote;
... present patterns suggest that policies may be needed to encourage White British residents to remain in diverse areas; to choose, rather than avoid, diverse areas when they do re-locate...
Mad mad world.
You are free to take this with a pinch of salt.
I left Britain years ago, when I was a young man, and although I have been a sporadic visitor, I retired and came back to live permanently a few years ago.
I am now, (my siblings have passed), the only child of a woman who was, similarly an only child and my grandmother had five siblings who had no children between them. This meant that as time has passed, so too have my mothers aunts and uncles and parents, leaving her with properties in various areas - all in northwestern England, and four in Blackburn.
In time these have passed to me. I sold one house a couple of years ago, it was in an area of the town called Bank Top, which was so awful it was difficult to find a tenant and eventually the council compulsorily purchased the area - it is now a flattened mess with no sign of redevelopment.
I've spent quite a bit of time in the town over the past few years, relatives on my Fathers side still live there, (there were a lot of Irish at one time), and the Asian areas are very unfriendly and there is massive resentment because some 'Asian' areas have received comprehensive renovations while other 'white' areas such as Mill Hill continue to decay.
In honesty, most of the town is a bloody dump, and testimony to the stupidity of allowing laymen councilors to dictate road planning.
In some respects, Blackburn is an odd sort of place, during the Industrial revolution it generated enormous wealth and still has wealthy enclaves surrounding it, such as Pleasington and Ribchester, Whalley and Clitheroe too.
There is a tacit acknowledgement that the town is without a paddle, and I'll post more if people would like.
I left Britain years ago, when I was a young man, and although I have been a sporadic visitor, I retired and came back to live permanently a few years ago.
I am now, (my siblings have passed), the only child of a woman who was, similarly an only child and my grandmother had five siblings who had no children between them. This meant that as time has passed, so too have my mothers aunts and uncles and parents, leaving her with properties in various areas - all in northwestern England, and four in Blackburn.
In time these have passed to me. I sold one house a couple of years ago, it was in an area of the town called Bank Top, which was so awful it was difficult to find a tenant and eventually the council compulsorily purchased the area - it is now a flattened mess with no sign of redevelopment.
I've spent quite a bit of time in the town over the past few years, relatives on my Fathers side still live there, (there were a lot of Irish at one time), and the Asian areas are very unfriendly and there is massive resentment because some 'Asian' areas have received comprehensive renovations while other 'white' areas such as Mill Hill continue to decay.
In honesty, most of the town is a bloody dump, and testimony to the stupidity of allowing laymen councilors to dictate road planning.
In some respects, Blackburn is an odd sort of place, during the Industrial revolution it generated enormous wealth and still has wealthy enclaves surrounding it, such as Pleasington and Ribchester, Whalley and Clitheroe too.
There is a tacit acknowledgement that the town is without a paddle, and I'll post more if people would like.
Wills2 said:
It's been happening in Bradford for years and is still going on, people first moved from the wards around Bradford to the villages and smaller towns surrounding it they are now moving further out to places like Harrogate/Ilkley/Wetherby/Skipton if they can afford to.
Bradford has been a segregated city for years (schools/housing etc..) It's now starting to extend down the two valleys (Aire/Wharfe) the Aire valley is worst hit extending down to Keighley hence the price of a house can be 2 or 3 times greater in the Wharfe valley where the issue has just reached Baildon, It's a huge problem but not one the politicians local or national want to admit to or tackle.
I agree it happens Bradford has been a segregated city for years (schools/housing etc..) It's now starting to extend down the two valleys (Aire/Wharfe) the Aire valley is worst hit extending down to Keighley hence the price of a house can be 2 or 3 times greater in the Wharfe valley where the issue has just reached Baildon, It's a huge problem but not one the politicians local or national want to admit to or tackle.
And what exactly is the 'problem' you mention?
jimreed said:
You are free to take this with a pinch of salt.
I left Britain years ago, when I was a young man, and although I have been a sporadic visitor, I retired and came back to live permanently a few years ago.
I am now, (my siblings have passed), the only child of a woman who was, similarly an only child and my grandmother had five siblings who had no children between them. This meant that as time has passed, so too have my mothers aunts and uncles and parents, leaving her with properties in various areas - all in northwestern England, and four in Blackburn.
In time these have passed to me. I sold one house a couple of years ago, it was in an area of the town called Bank Top, which was so awful it was difficult to find a tenant and eventually the council compulsorily purchased the area - it is now a flattened mess with no sign of redevelopment.
I've spent quite a bit of time in the town over the past few years, relatives on my Fathers side still live there, (there were a lot of Irish at one time), and the Asian areas are very unfriendly and there is massive resentment because some 'Asian' areas have received comprehensive renovations while other 'white' areas such as Mill Hill continue to decay.
In honesty, most of the town is a bloody dump, and testimony to the stupidity of allowing laymen councilors to dictate road planning.
In some respects, Blackburn is an odd sort of place, during the Industrial revolution it generated enormous wealth and still has wealthy enclaves surrounding it, such as Pleasington and Ribchester, Whalley and Clitheroe too.
There is a tacit acknowledgement that the town is without a paddle, and I'll post more if people would like.
Jim,I left Britain years ago, when I was a young man, and although I have been a sporadic visitor, I retired and came back to live permanently a few years ago.
I am now, (my siblings have passed), the only child of a woman who was, similarly an only child and my grandmother had five siblings who had no children between them. This meant that as time has passed, so too have my mothers aunts and uncles and parents, leaving her with properties in various areas - all in northwestern England, and four in Blackburn.
In time these have passed to me. I sold one house a couple of years ago, it was in an area of the town called Bank Top, which was so awful it was difficult to find a tenant and eventually the council compulsorily purchased the area - it is now a flattened mess with no sign of redevelopment.
I've spent quite a bit of time in the town over the past few years, relatives on my Fathers side still live there, (there were a lot of Irish at one time), and the Asian areas are very unfriendly and there is massive resentment because some 'Asian' areas have received comprehensive renovations while other 'white' areas such as Mill Hill continue to decay.
In honesty, most of the town is a bloody dump, and testimony to the stupidity of allowing laymen councilors to dictate road planning.
In some respects, Blackburn is an odd sort of place, during the Industrial revolution it generated enormous wealth and still has wealthy enclaves surrounding it, such as Pleasington and Ribchester, Whalley and Clitheroe too.
There is a tacit acknowledgement that the town is without a paddle, and I'll post more if people would like.
I agree with you about Blackburn being a town without a paddle, but it seems that can also be applied to quite a few other towns in the broader NW area. Not sure immigration as such is the primary cause, the areas may well have just got rather run down anyway due to a general lack of investment.
Alpinestars said:
RedTrident said:
desolate said:
del mar said:
They all believe in;
same god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
Load of bsame god
same clothes shop
same religious book
same attitude towards young white girls.
ks.Ignorant f
knut.I have lots of petty little obsessions, give me time and I will try to name them...
jogger1976 said:
Having had the misfortune to grow up in the multicultural sthole that is Peterborough, I can say that multiculturalism does not, and never will work.
The city was divided into very distinct sections: white British working class, which was me,long term Pakistani immigrants, Italians who had come over after the war and various enclaves of Eastern European workers
In my experience,if you were a Pakistani you would never ever enter the white British council estates and vice versa and the Eastern Europeans were massively resented by pretty much all, despite being decent, hardworking people.
I went back to visit last year and It's even more divided than ever since Brexit
Millfield's lovely if ghettos are your thing thole that is Peterborough, I can say that multiculturalism does not, and never will work.The city was divided into very distinct sections: white British working class, which was me,long term Pakistani immigrants, Italians who had come over after the war and various enclaves of Eastern European workers
In my experience,if you were a Pakistani you would never ever enter the white British council estates and vice versa and the Eastern Europeans were massively resented by pretty much all, despite being decent, hardworking people.
I went back to visit last year and It's even more divided than ever since Brexit
Panorama covered this topic last night.
Panorama – White Fright: Divided Britain review – the people let down by a decade of policy failure
Blackburn was once described as one of the most segregated towns in Britain by the author of a report on riots across northern England. In 2007, Panorama found Blackburn's Muslim Asian and white communities were living worlds apart. Ten years on, has anything changed?
bbc said:
In 2007 Panorama made a programme in Blackburn, which was becoming segregated along ethnic and religious lines. Now Panorama has returned and found a town that is even more divided. Some parts of Blackburn are almost entirely Muslim Asian, while other parts are only lived in by white residents. This kind of social segregation has been described as a national crisis, despite decades of government policy aimed at bringing people together. So why do such divisions persist? Panorama visits one town to answer that question and illustrate the impact of social segregation on local communities
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09pz718/panorama-white-fright-divided-britainPanorama – White Fright: Divided Britain review – the people let down by a decade of policy failure
Blackburn was once described as one of the most segregated towns in Britain by the author of a report on riots across northern England. In 2007, Panorama found Blackburn's Muslim Asian and white communities were living worlds apart. Ten years on, has anything changed?
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