Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
///ajd said:
I don't really want to pay for your vote. I won't feel the warm fuzzy benefit of less immigration like you will, when you visit Boston high street and it feels more British with no funny languages. If you want that, you should pay for it all yourself. The shops will still be boarded up though eh? Probably more so as we decline and even the Poles leave. How fking stupid is that!
You really are fixated on Boston, aren't you ? Remind me again, when was the last time you stayed there ?
PRTVR said:
But I pointed out ships are made in a lot of EU countries, do you think Germany is a low cost area ? Just the other night there was a programme on ITV on building a large cruise ship in Italy You build things smarter, strategically I find it strange as an island we only have limited ship building capability, when we have to go to Korea to build our RN support ships something's wrong.
Maybe the Koreans can build ships that don't break down when the ocean is too warm.They might even be able to build aircraft carriers that can launch aircraft, who knows?
PRTVR said:
s2art said:
Greg66 said:
I just don't see the small niche engineering firm that we excel at producing as in the same category as large shipyards. And I don't detect a mass desire to man factories at pay levels that will make us competitive with SE Asia.
Wait for the next generation of robots and 3D printers.we have been building an economy on services , selling tat to each other and let accountants asset strip so this years figures look good , minimal long term investment in plant and machinery etc ...
PRTVR said:
AC43 said:
s2art said:
AC43 said:
Well I live in the area (London) that's surely most "hit" by immigration and I don't come across anyone moaning about it. Most immigrants come here to build a better life and work their nuts off, often grateful to have jobs that the locals can't/won't do. They build the economy they're not a drag on it.
But is London a special case in that there will be a higher proportion of skilled and 'elite' immigrants going there compared to other areas of the country?I think the theory goes is that if only those people didn't exist then the factories would magically reappear and it would be back to the good old days.
Take shipbuilding, ships are built in Norway,sweden Germany France Holland and Italy, but the UK next to nothing, in this country manual skills are looked down on,
What we have done is removed jobs from the economy that provided not only work but pride,I find it interesting that when the unemployed are talked about, nobody connect's the lack of manual jobs that provide work and pride.
The point about London liberals is correct I am from the northeast, Mandelson was MP for Hartlepool, there was major Job losses at the local steel rolling mill, his comments were we don't need those dirty jobs, roll on quite a few years and the Redcar steel plant closed down, a plant that had been there since the start of large scale steel production in the world, lord Heseltine made the same statement, dirt jobs, it's not about going back it's about understanding, I think Teresa May understands, time will tell.
It's a st situation.
I just don't think the response is necessarily the right one in that I can't see what a bunch of politicians can do to rectify the situation.
We've had nationaised and state subsidised industry in the past and that didn't work.
powerstroke said:
PRTVR said:
s2art said:
Greg66 said:
I just don't see the small niche engineering firm that we excel at producing as in the same category as large shipyards. And I don't detect a mass desire to man factories at pay levels that will make us competitive with SE Asia.
Wait for the next generation of robots and 3D printers.we have been building an economy on services , selling tat to each other and let accountants asset strip so this years figures look good , minimal long term investment in plant and machinery etc ...
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Media reports chaos and terror as refugees invade North Devon en masse and incur wrath of angry locals.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syrian-refugee...
You've gone quiet on posting any details on the Nissan deal. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syrian-refugee...
AW111 said:
PRTVR said:
But I pointed out ships are made in a lot of EU countries, do you think Germany is a low cost area ? Just the other night there was a programme on ITV on building a large cruise ship in Italy You build things smarter, strategically I find it strange as an island we only have limited ship building capability, when we have to go to Korea to build our RN support ships something's wrong.
Maybe the Koreans can build ships that don't break down when the ocean is too warm.They might even be able to build aircraft carriers that can launch aircraft, who knows?
catso said:
PRTVR said:
Police force driving British built cars
You think? Surely there is no valid reason why this is not already happening? My recollection of other EU states with car industries, e.g. Germany, France & Italy, is that the Police drive home produced cars.
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Media reports chaos and terror as refugees invade North Devon en masse and incur wrath of angry locals.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syrian-refugee...
You've gone quiet on posting any details on the Nissan deal. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syrian-refugee...
I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked a very simple question on what you claimed we knew about the Nissan deal. I just expected a link to a newspaper article or something as I hadn't read any details other than some assurances on training.
I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
I have answered your questions perfectly clearly, and the difference between a hard brexit scenario and a soft one, and how that changes the need for compensation. I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
What we know about the deal is gleaned mainly from Clarks BBC TV appearance - which if you are interested in the subject I'm sure you will have seen. It was on Marr show, easy to find.
The full details refuse to be revealed. What is not known is what guarantees exist if the UK fails to deliver a soft brexit for Nissan.
You should be able to understand all this, it is not difficult.
Only a low grader would struggle with it; prove to us all you are not one by grasping these simple ideas.
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked a very simple question on what you claimed we knew about the Nissan deal. I just expected a link to a newspaper article or something as I hadn't read any details other than some assurances on training.
I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
I have answered your questions perfectly clearly, and the difference between a hard brexit scenario and a soft one, and how that changes the need for compensation. I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
What we know about the deal is gleaned mainly from Clarks BBC TV appearance - which if you are interested in the subject I'm sure you will have seen. It was on Marr show, easy to find.
The full details refuse to be revealed. What is not known is what guarantees exist if the UK fails to deliver a soft brexit for Nissan.
You should be able to understand all this, it is not difficult.
Only a low grader would struggle with it; prove to us all you are not one by grasping these simple ideas.
Your blanket refusal to back up your claim or even mention it when it was pointed out your claims were illegal state aid, only confirms you as a bullst liar here. Simple as that.
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked a very simple question on what you claimed we knew about the Nissan deal. I just expected a link to a newspaper article or something as I hadn't read any details other than some assurances on training.
I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
I have answered your questions perfectly clearly, and the difference between a hard brexit scenario and a soft one, and how that changes the need for compensation. I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
What we know about the deal is gleaned mainly from Clarks BBC TV appearance - which if you are interested in the subject I'm sure you will have seen. It was on Marr show, easy to find.
The full details refuse to be revealed. What is not known is what guarantees exist if the UK fails to deliver a soft brexit for Nissan.
You should be able to understand all this, it is not difficult.
Only a low grader would struggle with it; prove to us all you are not one by grasping these simple ideas.
Your blanket refusal to back up your claim or even mention it when it was pointed out your claims were illegal state aid, only confirms you as a bullst liar here. Simple as that.
I've not lied, I've presented my arguments which remain valid.
You are just throwing around insults as you don't seem able to follow them - you are a low grader AICMFP.
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked a very simple question on what you claimed we knew about the Nissan deal. I just expected a link to a newspaper article or something as I hadn't read any details other than some assurances on training.
I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
I have answered your questions perfectly clearly, and the difference between a hard brexit scenario and a soft one, and how that changes the need for compensation. I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
What we know about the deal is gleaned mainly from Clarks BBC TV appearance - which if you are interested in the subject I'm sure you will have seen. It was on Marr show, easy to find.
The full details refuse to be revealed. What is not known is what guarantees exist if the UK fails to deliver a soft brexit for Nissan.
You should be able to understand all this, it is not difficult.
Only a low grader would struggle with it; prove to us all you are not one by grasping these simple ideas.
Your blanket refusal to back up your claim or even mention it when it was pointed out your claims were illegal state aid, only confirms you as a bullst liar here. Simple as that.
I've not lied, I've presented my arguments which remain valid.
You are just throwing around insults as you don't seem able to follow them - you are a low grader AICMFP.
The floor is yours if you want to back up your claim Nissan will be getting a per car compensation from HMG if facing tariffs. I said my understanding was this amounted to illegal state aid. I could be wrong, but then I wasn't the one who made the claim , that was you. So over to you.
PS. Your faux outrage at being insulted is funny given the amount of time you spend on the forum trying to wind people with your 'racist' shouting at any and every objection. You are even on the Ukip thread this morning complaining people aren''t taking your baiting and responding to you trying to wind people up. But now you've been insulted ? Not credible I'm afraid.
Edited by Deptford Draylons on Sunday 11th December 13:41
///ajd said:
Media reports chaos and terror as refugees invade North Devon en masse and incur wrath of angry locals.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syrian-refugee...
Did you write that yourself? It's very much in your literary style. So many strawmen it should have a "Flammable" sticker on it.http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syrian-refugee...
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked a very simple question on what you claimed we knew about the Nissan deal. I just expected a link to a newspaper article or something as I hadn't read any details other than some assurances on training.
I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
I have answered your questions perfectly clearly, and the difference between a hard brexit scenario and a soft one, and how that changes the need for compensation. I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
What we know about the deal is gleaned mainly from Clarks BBC TV appearance - which if you are interested in the subject I'm sure you will have seen. It was on Marr show, easy to find.
The full details refuse to be revealed. What is not known is what guarantees exist if the UK fails to deliver a soft brexit for Nissan.
You should be able to understand all this, it is not difficult.
Only a low grader would struggle with it; prove to us all you are not one by grasping these simple ideas.
Your blanket refusal to back up your claim or even mention it when it was pointed out your claims were illegal state aid, only confirms you as a bullst liar here. Simple as that.
I've not lied, I've presented my arguments which remain valid.
You are just throwing around insults as you don't seem able to follow them - you are a low grader AICMFP.
WinstonWolf said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You were asked a very simple question on what you claimed we knew about the Nissan deal. I just expected a link to a newspaper article or something as I hadn't read any details other than some assurances on training.
I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
I have answered your questions perfectly clearly, and the difference between a hard brexit scenario and a soft one, and how that changes the need for compensation. I also said I thought you made an incorrect claim when you said they might receive compensation on a per car basis if facing tariffs, something you also didn't respond to.
You're more interested in winding people up with your long-winded way of shouting racist. Your EU obsession and racist shouting on every related thread has become boring.
What we know about the deal is gleaned mainly from Clarks BBC TV appearance - which if you are interested in the subject I'm sure you will have seen. It was on Marr show, easy to find.
The full details refuse to be revealed. What is not known is what guarantees exist if the UK fails to deliver a soft brexit for Nissan.
You should be able to understand all this, it is not difficult.
Only a low grader would struggle with it; prove to us all you are not one by grasping these simple ideas.
Your blanket refusal to back up your claim or even mention it when it was pointed out your claims were illegal state aid, only confirms you as a bullst liar here. Simple as that.
I've not lied, I've presented my arguments which remain valid.
You are just throwing around insults as you don't seem able to follow them - you are a low grader AICMFP.
///ajd said:
Says organisation backed by Anna Soubry, Nick Clegg, Chuka Umunna and Ed Miliband.768 said:
///ajd said:
Says organisation backed by Anna Soubry, Nick Clegg, Chuka Umunna and Ed Miliband.And if they do, is it worth protecting?
It seems reasonably obvious to me that it is.
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