Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/24/b...
Which they can through the US etc.
Do some think Germany / France and US have no relationship? And five eyes means what it says on the tin. But if necessary some tit bits will be thrown. That won't change.
The US are now looking to Germany for their EU links as we've done a cowardly retreat.Trump is with the UK. There is no back door for the EU
///ajd said:
skahigh said:
///ajd said:
You know what I mean. Or you might. Maybe not.
It is naive to assume or mil card is very strong in these negotiations.
Try and spell out why I'm wrong. It'll be entertaining.
Your favourite publication seems to have done a pretty good job of that previously.It is naive to assume or mil card is very strong in these negotiations.
Try and spell out why I'm wrong. It'll be entertaining.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/24/b...
Guardian said:
Intelligence-gathering in Europe is comparable to the military situation. The only military force that really matters is the US-led Nato alliance. There is as yet no sign of a EU army.
It is the same in the intelligence world. The alliance that matters is “Five Eyes”, the most powerful intelligence-gathering alliance in the world: the US, the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. It dwarves even China and Russia.
Other European countries rely on the US and the UK sharing at least some of the information and data. If the UK was to leave the EU, other European countries would continue to seek access to at least some of that intelligence.
It is the same in the intelligence world. The alliance that matters is “Five Eyes”, the most powerful intelligence-gathering alliance in the world: the US, the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. It dwarves even China and Russia.
Other European countries rely on the US and the UK sharing at least some of the information and data. If the UK was to leave the EU, other European countries would continue to seek access to at least some of that intelligence.
Do some think Germany / France and US have no relationship? And five eyes means what it says on the tin. But if necessary some tit bits will be thrown. That won't change.
The US are now looking to Germany for their EU links as we've done a cowardly retreat.
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John145 said:
///ajd said:
John145 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
And Merkel and other commentators are saying - EU comes first. I predicted that too, well before the ref.
Is this kinda quality insight that sets you apart on PH - You saw that one side would put itself first in negotiations. Wow, and everyone was saying they would put themselves second , right ? You are the master of statements of the bleedin obvious.EU commission > EU > Various institutions > the people
Although there are probably a number of other players between the institutions and the people that get a look in first.
Meaningless drivel.
Let me guess, a Faragette?
Why do you believe and spout this total crap?
One of the problems in the UK is that for too long no one has told you - thats crap. It is crap. You should be told its crap. You might not beleive it from a remainer, but be assured, you are talking utter crap.
Just my opinion of course. Believe Farage instead if he pushes your buttons.
When you can't vote for or kick out your president, guess what, it ain't democracy.
Werner Mussler offers the most detailed account of the financial issues we have seen so far. The €60bn have several components, the largest being a back-of-the-envelope calculation on the EU’s open positions, also known as "reste à liquider", spending commitments made in the past that have to be paid in the future. They stood at €217bn as of end-2015, and are likely to grow to €240bn by end-2018. Britain’s part would be about €29bn. In reality that position would be lower since many of these funds are never called. We would add to this that there is no obvious legal basis to force the UK to commit to future spending, and agree with Duff that this problem can be solved elegantly if the UK agrees to remain part of the multi-annual framework until 2020, which could also be part of a transitional agreement. So this is a solvable problem - financially, and ultimately politically too. May will have to make compromises in the Brexit process.
The second large position are pension payments to EU employers - not just British - as the EU does not distinguish between UK and other nationals. Locking in a British net contribution for the lifetime of these payments seems ludicrous to us, but it is fair, of course, that the UK pays at least for the pensions of EU employees who are British nationals. If the EU insists on the UK paying for the pension of non-UK nationals post-Brexit, there can be no Brexit agreement. Mussler concludes that the €60bn is a purely political number.
We found ourselves in rare agreement with Holger Stelzner, the FAZ’s conservative economics editor, who asks what kind of community the EU is that wants to penalise a member states for exiting. He also notes that there is no legal basis for the €60bn claim.
The second large position are pension payments to EU employers - not just British - as the EU does not distinguish between UK and other nationals. Locking in a British net contribution for the lifetime of these payments seems ludicrous to us, but it is fair, of course, that the UK pays at least for the pensions of EU employees who are British nationals. If the EU insists on the UK paying for the pension of non-UK nationals post-Brexit, there can be no Brexit agreement. Mussler concludes that the €60bn is a purely political number.
We found ourselves in rare agreement with Holger Stelzner, the FAZ’s conservative economics editor, who asks what kind of community the EU is that wants to penalise a member states for exiting. He also notes that there is no legal basis for the €60bn claim.
///ajd said:
Sorry, still utter drivel.
Why do you believe and spout this total crap?
One of the problems in the UK is that for too long no one has told you - thats crap. It is crap. You should be told its crap. You might not beleive it from a remainer, but be assured, you are talking utter crap.
Just my opinion of course. Believe Farage instead if he pushes your buttons.
That's crap.Why do you believe and spout this total crap?
One of the problems in the UK is that for too long no one has told you - thats crap. It is crap. You should be told its crap. You might not beleive it from a remainer, but be assured, you are talking utter crap.
Just my opinion of course. Believe Farage instead if he pushes your buttons.
KrissKross said:
///ajd said:
Try and spell out why I'm wrong. It'll be entertaining.
You keep writing words, is that the answer?Y
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See easy - even for a simple person like me
Now if it was antidisestablishmentarianism I would have struggled
///ajd said:
Which they can through the US etc.
Do some think Germany / France and US have no relationship? And five eyes means what it says on the tin. But if necessary some tit bits will be thrown. That won't change.
The US are now looking to Germany for their EU links as we've done a cowardly retreat.
Please stop it, my sides are hurting! Do some think Germany / France and US have no relationship? And five eyes means what it says on the tin. But if necessary some tit bits will be thrown. That won't change.
The US are now looking to Germany for their EU links as we've done a cowardly retreat.
danllama said:
Jimboka said:
If we leave.. Hopefully the next generation, pro EU forward looking, will rejoin. No doubt fully committed rather then the awkward neighbour we became. In my lifetime .
GET OVER IT.1. plays hit and run
2. has an Irish Passport already so that if it all goes tits up he can leave........
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wc98 said:
///ajd said:
Sorry, still utter drivel.
thanks for the apology , but no need .the entertainment value alone from your posts makes up for the drivel for me, though others may disagree.Jawknee sit your arse down - you agree with Corbyn so your credibility is shot to bits already
B'stard Child said:
danllama said:
Jimboka said:
If we leave.. Hopefully the next generation, pro EU forward looking, will rejoin. No doubt fully committed rather then the awkward neighbour we became. In my lifetime .
GET OVER IT.1. plays hit and run
2. has an Irish Passport already so that if it all goes tits up he can leave........
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but nice!wc98 said:
B'stard Child said:
Find me one - let them stand up and be counted
Jawknee sit your arse down - you agree with Corbyn so your credibility is shot to bits already
yep, you were spot on back in the pre brexit days when you stated he should kept along with jawknee Jawknee sit your arse down - you agree with Corbyn so your credibility is shot to bits already
Too much Ying and no Yang - very bad
Too much Yang and no Ying - very bad
You need a bit of balance in life and they provide it in bucket loads
Jimboka said:
If we leave.. Hopefully the next generation, pro EU forward looking, will rejoin. No doubt fully committed rather then the awkward neighbour we became. In my lifetime .
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