Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
jakesmith said:
jsf said:
And yet 500k of those foreigners are clambering to join us each year.
Really weird one that isn't it?
Not really, we are a wealthy desirable place to live, like how the USA still is despite Trump, presumably people still want to move to the USA too as it is better than wherever they live, despite the simple minded idiocy of the electorate there?Really weird one that isn't it?
No doubt throughout our history to some people we looked to be doing some rather bats
t crazy things, it's what we are brilliant at. The world usually catches up eventually and realises we weren't so bats
t crazy after all.wc98 said:
///ajd said:
Bloke who wrote Art 50 thinks we should think again.
Interesting to see support for 2nd ref jump 6 points.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arti...
Best bit is Davis saying no one else will leave the EU. Why so sure - its almost as if it would be crazy to leave, eh?
comedy gold Interesting to see support for 2nd ref jump 6 points.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arti...
Best bit is Davis saying no one else will leave the EU. Why so sure - its almost as if it would be crazy to leave, eh?
you realise kerr is a lifelong rent seeker . how many of his directorships would he have had without his years in the diplomatic service ,straight from university i believe, a forerunner of modern day ppe degree holding politicians.
jakesmith said:
It has made us an utter laughing stock on the world stage. It makes us look as moronic as the Americans for electing Trump.
I come into contact with a huge number of other foreign nationals on a daily basis and am utterly ashamed and embarrassed of what is so obviously a small minded act of logic-defying stupidity, spearheaded by a few very ambitious and utterly reckless MPs.
LOL, I'd take less of the re-moaner confirmation bias pills if I were you sonny.I come into contact with a huge number of other foreign nationals on a daily basis and am utterly ashamed and embarrassed of what is so obviously a small minded act of logic-defying stupidity, spearheaded by a few very ambitious and utterly reckless MPs.
And with Trump, strangely the only countries that have any substantial negative view of Trump are the ones with saturation negative MSM coverage.
jsf said:
Or maybe the majority of people have a more balanced view of the UK.
No doubt throughout our history to some people we looked to be doing some rather batst crazy things, it's what we are brilliant at.
The world usually catches up eventually and realises we weren't so batst crazy after all.
It's all a matter of timescales isn't it, and how many & how long people might have to suffer for, before that moment of realisation arrives. 5 years? 35 years?No doubt throughout our history to some people we looked to be doing some rather bats
t crazy things, it's what we are brilliant at. The world usually catches up eventually and realises we weren't so bats
t crazy after all.Mr GrimNasty said:
LOL, I'd take less of the re-moaner confirmation bias pills if I were you sonny.
And with Trump, strangely the only countries that have any substantial negative view of Trump are the ones with saturation negative MSM coverage.
Which countries don't have a negative view of Trump? Uganda?And with Trump, strangely the only countries that have any substantial negative view of Trump are the ones with saturation negative MSM coverage.
jakesmith said:
jsf said:
Or maybe the majority of people have a more balanced view of the UK.
No doubt throughout our history to some people we looked to be doing some rather batst crazy things, it's what we are brilliant at.
The world usually catches up eventually and realises we weren't so batst crazy after all.
It's all a matter of timescales isn't it, and how many & how long people might have to suffer for, before that moment of realisation arrives. 5 years? 35 years?No doubt throughout our history to some people we looked to be doing some rather bats
t crazy things, it's what we are brilliant at. The world usually catches up eventually and realises we weren't so bats
t crazy after all.jakesmith said:
It's all a matter of timescales isn't it, and how many & how long people might have to suffer for, before that moment of realisation arrives. 5 years? 35 years?
If everything works out just fine, how long will it take you to calm down?How are you measuring a country's "laughing stock" status? And where do we sit on the 195 long list of countries?
jakesmith said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
LOL, I'd take less of the re-moaner confirmation bias pills if I were you sonny.
And with Trump, strangely the only countries that have any substantial negative view of Trump are the ones with saturation negative MSM coverage.
Which countries don't have a negative view of Trump? Uganda?And with Trump, strangely the only countries that have any substantial negative view of Trump are the ones with saturation negative MSM coverage.
Much of my business is with overseas clients, the vast majority of whom are EU based. Despite having done nothing wrong and still having all of the same contacts and infrastructure in place all around the EU, some of my clients are looking elsewhere as it's tricky for them to be forward planning their subcontracting to a company based in the UK. Understandably.
It is costing businesses and the taxman money already, and we really look like idiots to most Europeans. When you tell them that this is being railroaded ahead by a PM with the lowest popularity figures in decades, after the country was split right down the middle they genuinely sound perplexed that we're putting up with it.
Is there any other situation but politics where you take a vote and get a 49/51 result and say 'yes, that's decided it then, on we go' rather than 'we'd better talk about this some more'. I certainly couldn't run my business with only half the shareholders onboard.
It is costing businesses and the taxman money already, and we really look like idiots to most Europeans. When you tell them that this is being railroaded ahead by a PM with the lowest popularity figures in decades, after the country was split right down the middle they genuinely sound perplexed that we're putting up with it.
Is there any other situation but politics where you take a vote and get a 49/51 result and say 'yes, that's decided it then, on we go' rather than 'we'd better talk about this some more'. I certainly couldn't run my business with only half the shareholders onboard.
User33678888 said:
Is there any other situation but politics where you take a vote and get a 49/51 result and say 'yes, that's decided it then, on we go' rather than 'we'd better talk about this some more'. I certainly couldn't run my business with only half the shareholders onboard.
I thought it was 48/52 but even so what would the outcome of a shareholders meeting be if a vote on something had the same result? Genuine Q BTW.jsf said:
France made him guest of honour at their most important day of commemoration just a few days ago.
The same France that just utterly rejected a similarly right wing candidate. I'm sure the French all think Trump is great, they definitely won't smile through gritted teeth as they try and ingratiate themselves with the leader of the world's largest economyjakesmith said:
jsf said:
France made him guest of honour at their most important day of commemoration just a few days ago.
The same France that just utterly rejected a similarly right wing candidate. I'm sure the French all think Trump is great, they definitely won't smile through gritted teeth as they try and ingratiate themselves with the leader of the world's largest economyI think your definition of utterly rejected needs some work. If Macron cocks up the way he potentially could, you should be very concerned about how France will react.
User33678888 said:
Much of my business is with overseas clients, the vast majority of whom are EU based. Despite having done nothing wrong and still having all of the same contacts and infrastructure in place all around the EU, some of my clients are looking elsewhere as it's tricky for them to be forward planning their subcontracting to a company based in the UK. Understandably.
It is costing businesses and the taxman money already, and we really look like idiots to most Europeans. When you tell them that this is being railroaded ahead by a PM with the lowest popularity figures in decades, after the country was split right down the middle they genuinely sound perplexed that we're putting up with it.
Is there any other situation but politics where you take a vote and get a 49/51 result and say 'yes, that's decided it then, on we go' rather than 'we'd better talk about this some more'. I certainly couldn't run my business with only half the shareholders onboard.
It was 48/52...but if you keep going long enough you'll be able to convince yourself your side won.It is costing businesses and the taxman money already, and we really look like idiots to most Europeans. When you tell them that this is being railroaded ahead by a PM with the lowest popularity figures in decades, after the country was split right down the middle they genuinely sound perplexed that we're putting up with it.
Is there any other situation but politics where you take a vote and get a 49/51 result and say 'yes, that's decided it then, on we go' rather than 'we'd better talk about this some more'. I certainly couldn't run my business with only half the shareholders onboard.
Irrespective of TM's popularity her party took its biggest share of the vote in over 20yrs. Yes, their campaign was utterly shambolic. And yet...there she is.
Equally 90% or more of the vote went to parties who were on for exiting the EU. A poll quoted on here in support of the Remain viewpoint actually noted 68% of people in this country did not agree with the need for a second vote. Even 48/52 is yesterday's chip paper and it doesn't appear to be getting closer to your way of thinking.
How many of the Europeans you have spoken to were from Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland etc? (Specifically young people in those countries). How many are from countries that are significant net contributors not in the Euro? How many aren't benefiting from cheap labour in the Eurozone?
Shareholder votes get carried on majorities. Do you have rules in place that prevent this? Do you demand a bigger majority for change? How many decisions actually get made on that basis?
jsf said:
Macron appeared comfortable enough, but then he is cut from the same snake oil salesman cloth.
I think your definition of utterly rejected needs some work. If Macron cocks up the way he potentially could, you should be very concerned about how France will react.
Macron got 66% vs Le Pens 34%. Can't think of any political event in the developed world with such a pronounced result. I think your definition of utterly rejected needs some work. If Macron cocks up the way he potentially could, you should be very concerned about how France will react.
jakesmith said:
jsf said:
Macron appeared comfortable enough, but then he is cut from the same snake oil salesman cloth.
I think your definition of utterly rejected needs some work. If Macron cocks up the way he potentially could, you should be very concerned about how France will react.
Macron got 66% vs Le Pens 34%. Can't think of any political event in the developed world with such a pronounced result. I think your definition of utterly rejected needs some work. If Macron cocks up the way he potentially could, you should be very concerned about how France will react.
If the trajectory in France continues and Macron doesn't get a restructuring of the Euro it would be foolhardy to be complacent.
Large parts of France are not doing well because of the restrictions of the Euro.
jakesmith said:
jsf said:
Macron appeared comfortable enough, but then he is cut from the same snake oil salesman cloth.
I think your definition of utterly rejected needs some work. If Macron cocks up the way he potentially could, you should be very concerned about how France will react.
Macron got 66% vs Le Pens 34%. Can't think of any political event in the developed world with such a pronounced result. I think your definition of utterly rejected needs some work. If Macron cocks up the way he potentially could, you should be very concerned about how France will react.
2002 Presidential Election
| Nominee | Jacques Chirac | Jean-Marie Le Pen |
| Party | RPR | FN |
| Popular vote | 25,537,956 | 5,525,032 |
| Percentage | 82.2% | 17.8% |
That says to me tide is turning!!!
User33678888 said:
....When you tell them that this is being railroaded ahead by a PM with the lowest popularity figures in decades, after the country was split right down the middle they genuinely sound perplexed that we're putting up with it....
Today's object lesson in confirmation bias comes from User349273450394... 
So, let me get this straight.. after you tell your clients that this country is going to hell in a handbasket and Brexit is going to be a disaster, they tell you that they're concerned about the UK and not so keen to trade with you? I can't imagine why.
It's hard to have much sympathy for someone who talks down their own business. It's not as if this change hasn't been signalled in advance - time to get out there and start lining things up.
User33678888 said:
Much of my business is with overseas clients, the vast majority of whom are EU based. Despite having done nothing wrong and still having all of the same contacts and infrastructure in place all around the EU, some of my clients are looking elsewhere as it's tricky for them to be forward planning their subcontracting to a company based in the UK. Understandably.
It is costing businesses and the taxman money already, and we really look like idiots to most Europeans. When you tell them that this is being railroaded ahead by a PM with the lowest popularity figures in decades, after the country was split right down the middle they genuinely sound perplexed that we're putting up with it.
Is there any other situation but politics where you take a vote and get a 49/51 result and say 'yes, that's decided it then, on we go' rather than 'we'd better talk about this some more'. I certainly couldn't run my business with only half the shareholders onboard.
Decisions within your business aren't made on a majority shareholder voter?It is costing businesses and the taxman money already, and we really look like idiots to most Europeans. When you tell them that this is being railroaded ahead by a PM with the lowest popularity figures in decades, after the country was split right down the middle they genuinely sound perplexed that we're putting up with it.
Is there any other situation but politics where you take a vote and get a 49/51 result and say 'yes, that's decided it then, on we go' rather than 'we'd better talk about this some more'. I certainly couldn't run my business with only half the shareholders onboard.
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