Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[Eddie Strohacker]

gooner1 said:

Why do you have a problem with people questioning what is highly questionable?
Mx5nut, a staunch reamainer, you'll agree, informs us that these Russian bots were also,
spreading pro remain propaganda. Which you bleeding obviously won't question Eh?

Because it's less questionable than you believe. Why don't you pull your head out of the sand & read up on the issue rather than punt opinion as irrefutable fact?

[gooner1]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Because it's less questionable than you believe. Why don't you pull your head out of the sand & read up on the issue rather than punt opinion as irrefutable fact?

So it's less questionable than I believe, which apart from the fact that you have
no idea what I believe, still makes it questionable, yes?
As for your last sentence, let's for arguments sake agree, that in your opinion
it's an irrefutable fact, how effective, as others have also questioned, has this
propaganda been, enough to overturn the referendum result?

Btw, I take it you are refuting Mx5nut's claim.

[Eddie Strohacker]

gooner1 said:

So it's less questionable than I believe, which apart from the fact that you have
no idea what I believe, still makes it questionable, yes?

Err, because you said it was highly questionable.

Christ, an Arsenal fan leaver. How did you end up being dealt those cards in life?

[gooner1]

Eddie Strohacker said:

gooner1 said:

So it's less questionable than I believe, which apart from the fact that you have
no idea what I believe, still makes it questionable, yes?

Err, because you said it was highly questionable.

Christ, an Arsenal fan leaver. How did you end up being dealt those cards in life?

You don't agree that it's questionable then, in your mind it can only be an irrefutable fact,

You don't seem to want to answer the one non rhetorical question I did actually ask you, how effective do you think the "propaganda campaign " was, enough to overturn the referendum, Eddie Strawgrasper?


I did'nt " get dealt those cards" they were, and still are life choices.

[Eddie Strohacker]

gooner1 said:

I did'nt " get dealt those cards" they were, and still are life choices.

QED, Credulous man duped by propaganda.

[gooner1]

[quote=Eddie Strohacker,
QED, Credulous man duped by propaganda.
[/quote]


Still no answer. Captain of Industry..

Are you sure all those Russian bots you've encountered ,
are not just simply Red Mites from your chooks?

Edited by gooner1 on Thursday 16th November 11:19

[Eddie Strohacker]

gooner1 said:

You don't agree that it's questionable then, in your mind it can only be an irrefutable fact,

Rewinding to soar above the chickens, I said it was less questionable than you believe - you said it was highly questionable. So first of all, there's your answer. Second of all it's well documented as I helpfully show you below & thirdly, as a patriotic Englishman, why are you & your leave acolytes piling in like clockwork to disregard the actions of a hostile foreign power? Could it even slightly be attributable to the vast majority of the bot operation being targeted towards support for Brexit & as a supplementary question, why do you think Russia supports Brexit, through clandestine cyber deception operations?


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/the-russia...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/former-troll-russia-...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rus...

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-ag...

[gooner1]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Rewinding to soar above the chickens, I said it was less questionable than you believe - you said it was highly questionable. So first of all, there's your answer. Second of all it's well documented as I helpfully show you below & thirdly, as a patriotic Englishman, why are you & your leave acolytes piling in like clockwork to disregard the actions of a hostile foreign power? Could it even slightly be attributable to the vast majority of the bot operation being targeted towards support for Brexit & as a supplementary question, why do you think Russia supports Brexit, through clandestine cyber deception operations?


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/the-russia...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/former-troll-russia-...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rus...
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https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-ag...

Soar above the Chickens, that'll be pretty low leve soaring.


Again, you have not answered the one non rhetorical question I asked.
I find your description of someone who is asking questions and not accepting everything I read, as Credulous strangley strange.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Wow, you read through those links quickly.

[gooner1]

[quote=gooner1

You don't seem to want to answer the one non rhetorical question I did actually ask you, how effective do you think the "propaganda campaign " was, enough to overturn the referendum, Eddie





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C'mon Eddie, I'm asking for YOUR opinion.

[Eddie Strohacker]

No you're not, You're asking me to quantify something that by definition is unquantifiable. You think I can look up the Russian embassy website & pull figures out for the number of people who switched from remain to leave because they saw a Corbyn meme on Twitter? You're deluded & missing the point altogether in any event.

Also, you can't quote for st either. Your posts look like a two year old's dinner.

[barryrs]

Another point albeit anecdotal; how many were even influenced by the campaign?

Im yet to meet a voter in either direction that didn't know which way they were voting before any campaigning was even started.

[Eddie Strohacker]

barryrs said:

Another point albeit anecdotal; how many were even influenced by the campaign?

Im yet to meet a voter in either direction that didn't know which way they were voting before any campaigning was even started.

Again, for the lunchtime crowd, if people are so unbiddable, tell me why companies spend millions advertising with the single intention of influencing their behaviour..

[mx5nut]

Interesting post from one person who would like a U-turn.

http://timn1971x.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/leaving-eu...

I wonder how many feel the same.

[barryrs]

Eddie Strohacker said:

barryrs said:

Another point albeit anecdotal; how many were even influenced by the campaign?

Im yet to meet a voter in either direction that didn't know which way they were voting before any campaigning was even started.

Again, for the lunchtime crowd, if people are so unbiddable, tell me why companies spend millions advertising with the single intention of influencing their behaviour..

Firstly my sincere apologies for having better things to do.

I dont doubt its effective im just not convinced the argument really holds much water when the suggestion is that the result was effected by external sources.

The method implied being social media doesn't appear the reflect the demographic most likely to vote leave and I've yet to meet anyone that changed their vote mid campaign.

Were circa 1.3 million people effected by ludicrous meme's via SM?

[Eddie Strohacker]

barryrs said:

Were circa 1.3 million people effected by ludicrous meme's via SM?

Again, it's unquantifiable. Nevertheless the answer to your question lies in the history of propaganda & the very fact that a foreign state continues to invest in pursuing this activity here, in America & across other states, notably Spain in recent weeks.

It's very telling that not one correspondent in this discussion questions why Russia does this, only whether they do it & whether it works. Why is that?

[768]

Because questioning why they do it before whether they do it would be somewhat backwards.

[Tuna]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Again, it's unquantifiable. Nevertheless the answer to your question lies in the history of propaganda & the very fact that a foreign state continues to invest in pursuing this activity here, in America & across other states, notably Spain in recent weeks.

You should read 'The Men Who Stare at Goats'. Foreign States (all of them, and the UK) invest in this sort of stuff not because it works, but because it *might* work and the other side *might* be doing it.

You can buy a few thousand twitter bots for a hundred bucks - why not do it? Frankly whether it's effective or not doesn't matter, given how cheap it is.

What should be more concerning is the phenomena of 'curated' social feeds (ie. Facebook etc.) where you are only shown posts and adverts that appeal to your political leanings. This is causing isolationist groupings, with people within them facing almost no critical views of their standpoint. Not only does it promote more extreme views (Corbyn, Trump etc.), but it reduces the tolerance for anything that might threaten the group view (hence the 'Snowflake generation' and protests after democratic votes).

Particularly amongst the younger generations this is very dangerous as well meaning but naive political and social ideas can take root and lead to people violently defending their rights to make stupid decisions. Moderate solutions and compromise become harder to achieve. It becomes more difficult to disseminate information to the population that would genuinely help them, as the moment one group accepts it, others will reject it as being partisan - even if it's something completely uncontroversial and objective. So not only do we get fake news, we get the unacceptable truth.

It's almost impossible for the younger generation (in particular, but all of us in general) not to get polarised, as Facebook is incapable of not presenting polarised views. If you're in a social group (any social group at all), you'll get fed the stuff that gets the best reaction, and that tends to be the strongest opinions.

And if you think you're immune to it, the same now applies to most media, even the old print media, as they all use similar tools to gauge what is of interest to their readership.

[gooner1]

Eddie Strohacker said:

No you're not, You're asking me to quantify something that by definition is unquantifiable. You think I can look up the Russian embassy website & pull figures out for the number of people who switched from remain to leave because they saw a Corbyn meme on Twitter? You're deluded & missing the point altogether in any event.

Also, you can't quote for st either. Your posts look like a two year old's dinner.

So you have no opionion on it. Thanks for confirming that fact.

Btw, that two year old's dinner, would that be the child you own's dinner?

[Eddie Strohacker]

gooner1 said:

So you have no opionion on it. Thanks for confirming that fact.

Btw, that two year old's dinner, would that be the child you own's dinner?

Two possibilities. You either can't work out what's being said to you form my words or from the multiple links helpfully provided to you or you're attempting to troll the discussion.

If it's the former, then I pity you. If it's the latter then you're simply claiming your place amongst the lowest common denominator of the leave vote demographic. If on the other hand, you think you're winding me up, you're sorely mistaken. You seem to be just one more pointlessly contrarian internet random unable to offer any answer as to why you claim to love your country but are happy fall in step with a foreign state.