Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[sidicks]

///ajd said:

So the talks are going well, as planned Sid?

“It was to be expected”

So all OK, Yes or No.

As expected. Sorry you expected something different - have you never been involved in a complex negotiation?

[///ajd]

sidicks said:

///ajd said:

So the talks are going well, as planned Sid?

“It was to be expected”

So all OK, Yes or No.

As expected. Sorry you expected something different - have you never been involved in a complex negotiation?

Yes, lots. These look like they going worse than any I have been involved in, though to be fair in all mine I have usually had a good number of very strong cards (luckily) to offset and fix weaknesses. Even then they are deployed with great tact. The approach here is that of confrontational amateurs.

Threatening the row of the summer and then immediately capitulating was a high point. One key negotiation 101 is to mean and be able to back up demands. If you bluff and get called you are toast, or at least it is very damaging.

[barryrs]

Funkycoldribena said:

bmw535i said:

Which “brexiteers” are angry?

Certainly not me.
I'm quite happy.

Me too.

I don’t pay too much attention to the media and read these topics much less as the daily “drama” is unbearable.

I was asked for my vote, I gave it and those that asked me to cast it are now expected to deliver. If in years to come it’s seen as a mistake I’m happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong but I don’t regret my decision.

My view on the Irish boarder if that an electronic boarder with ANPR and facial recognition should suffice. Restricted routes for HGV vehicles to monitor movements of goods and basic checks at the ports really won’t cause too much disruption. I don’t doubt there will be difficulties but nothing that’s insurmountable if both sides are willing to work together.

[dandarez]

If I was you Slasher, I'd heed the late David Cassidy's last words:
'So much time wasted.'
(he died on Tuesday at just 67)

You should do what many of us did in the mid 70s. Just get on with life, Brexit will happen. Nothing you can do about it. Imagine if you'd been standing here in 75 with rampant inflation near 28% and an oil crisis the like of not seen before by my generation. The vote in the 'then' first Referendum in which I and many made a hell of a mistake. We didn't take to the streets jumping up and down and moaning incessantly, and thank god we didn't have social media. I even got married ffs! We looked forward and got on with our lives. The doom and gloom mongers thankfully were ignored totally.

Brexit is not the tragedy you and other moaners make it out to be.

THIS is a tragedy!!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sky-sports-pr...

Think about it. Life can be very short. Don't waste it!

[p1stonhead]

barryrs said:

Funkycoldribena said:

bmw535i said:

Which “brexiteers” are angry?

Certainly not me.
I'm quite happy.

Me too.

I don’t pay too much attention to the media and read these topics much less as the daily “drama” is unbearable.

I was asked for my vote, I gave it and those that asked me to cast it are now expected to deliver. If in years to come it’s seen as a mistake I’m happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong but I don’t regret my decision.

My view on the Irish boarder if that an electronic boarder with ANPR and facial recognition should suffice. Restricted routes for HGV vehicles to monitor movements of goods and basic checks at the ports really won’t cause too much disruption. I don’t doubt there will be difficulties but nothing that’s insurmountable if both sides are willing to work together.

I think you ought to know that 90% of the roads crossing the border are barely wide enough for two cars and may as well be dirt covered for the state of them. Installing ANPR isn’t realistic at all especially considering there is hardly any infrastructure.

See that little ditch on the right in the below picture? That is the border near where some of my family live. Thats actually the future divide between the EU and the UK.





Here it is again that piddling little stream. House on the left is in the UK, road on the right is in the EU.





This is fairly typical outside of main roads of which there aren’t many. These are the roads the smugglers used to use to get over the border. Lots of these little roads across Armagh we’re actually bombed/cratered so they were unusable or had patrols on 24/7.

I guess it depends on how strict the EU or The UK want the border to be.

Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 25th November 13:35

[Tuna]

p1stonhead said:

See that little ditch on the right in the below picture? That is the border near where some of my family live. Thats actually the future divide between the EU and the UK.

I can just imagine the billions of euros of cheap goods that will fit down that lane.

[barryrs]

Tuna said:

p1stonhead said:

See that little ditch on the right in the below picture? That is the border near where some of my family live. Thats actually the future divide between the EU and the UK.

I can just imagine the billions of euros of cheap goods that will fit down that lane.

Exactly.

Even living in the UK as an island I can buy 200 genuine cigarettes for £35 and 6 bottles of quality wine for £18. Not that i partake as I don’t indulge in either.

smuggling happens so the solution only needs to be proportional.

[JagLover]

///ajd said:

£40Bn coughed up so far, and not even a workable Ireland solution yet tabled, let alone agreed.

Only just over a year to go. No transition deal, which will start to bite come 2018.
.

What point do you see in going on to an internet forum to post blatant lies?

May's speech in Florence was that if the EU were ready to agree to a transition deal we would maintain our contribution for the duration of the deal, at approximately £20bn. No transition deal no £20bn so I am rather puzzled how it has been "coughed up".

Now, in an effort to get things moving, she has indicated there may be another £20bn on the table if we get a satisfactory trade deal. Again I am puzzled how it has been "coughed up" at this stage.

My hope is that if (and likely when) December comes and goes with no movement onto a likely trade deal, more Tory politicians start to realise that there may well be only two choices, EEA or WTO.

Edited by JagLover on Saturday 25th November 16:57

[don'tbesilly]

JagLover said:

///ajd said:

£40Bn coughed up so far, and not even a workable Ireland solution yet tabled, let alone agreed.

Only just over a year to go. No transition deal, which will start to bite come 2018.
.

What point do you see in going on to an internet forum to post blatant lies?

Edited by JagLover on Saturday 25th November 16:57

It's what ///ajd does and persistently.

Call him out on it and he ducks and dives like a second hand car salesmen arguing over the terms of a 30 day warranty, that's of course if he bothers answering the question/s.

[dromong]

dandarez said:

If I was you Slasher, I'd heed the late David Cassidy's last words:
'So much time wasted.'
(he died on Tuesday at just 67)

You should do what many of us did in the mid 70s. Just get on with life, Brexit will happen. Nothing you can do about it. Imagine if you'd been standing here in 75 with rampant inflation near 28% and an oil crisis the like of not seen before by my generation. The vote in the 'then' first Referendum in which I and many made a hell of a mistake. We didn't take to the streets jumping up and down and moaning incessantly, and thank god we didn't have social media. I even got married ffs! We looked forward and got on with our lives. The doom and gloom mongers thankfully were ignored totally.

Brexit is not the tragedy you and other moaners make it out to be.

THIS is a tragedy!!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sky-sports-pr...

Think about it. Life can be very short. Don't waste it!

Absolutely in agreement with that, regardless of your age you could be dead tomorrow.

What is the point of coming on here day after day moaning about it, no matter how many times you say the same thing or relentlessly predict doom and disaster, in the grand scheme of things there isn't that many people listening to you anyway, maybe a couple of dozen out of a population of 60 odd million or so?, and within a few hours virtually everything you post is forgotten about. So many better things to do with a day.

I only come here on my tea breaks you know, reading the post's of those embroiled in so much stress and bitterness can be kind of therapeutic in a way. .

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

It's what ///ajd does and persistently.

Him and his alter ego, no two people could be that delusional surely?

[anonymous-user]

digimeistter said:

Him and his alter ego, no two people could be that delusional surely?

Surely not enough hours in the day for it to be all the work of one person?

[dromong]

desolate said:

digimeistter said:

Him and his alter ego, no two people could be that delusional surely?

Surely not enough hours in the day for it to be all the work of one person?

Some of the poster's on here are seriously committed you know, the rewards are ...erm........ zilch.

[768]

johnxjsc1985 said:

powerstroke said:

I would stay in the house and pray your roof doesn't fall in
WE ARE NOT IN A MESS !!! you are !!!

if you feel the need to be depressed just read his posts I don't know how he gets out of bed in the morning.
He is good a pointing fingers and asking question but not so good at answering his own questions.

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

It's only one event, but I've never seen anyone go round the grief cycle so many times.

[anonymous-user]

768 said:

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

It's only one event, but I've never seen anyone go round the grief cycle so many times.

I fear the acceptance may never come

[anonymous-user]

bmw535i said:

don'tbesilly said:

///ajd said:

Some "protest vote" Bregret stories:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/p...

Aww bless, those stories must have made you all warm and fuzzy,not that it will make any difference whatsoever.

Of course it also ignores the obvious, that for every one that expresses regret for their vote to Leave, at a realistic guess there would be one who regrets their vote to Remain, it won't be published in the Guardian though.

I was listening to an interview with William Hague on R4 a few weeks ago. He said he would vote leave if there is another referendum. He also added that there definitely won’t be another and that we’ll definity be leaving.

I heard that too.

It’s much easier to believe a politician when they are saying what you want to hear.

[anonymous-user]

COULD UK U-TURN ON REFERENDUM RESULT ?

Well no, because it happened

Nothing good has come out of it though. Not 1 thing

So the government, those paid to govern, should ignore it.

[anonymous-user]

powerstroke said:

Greg66 said:

powerstroke said:

///ajd said:

Some "protest vote" Bregret stories:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/p...

You keep digging kid , I'm still smirking .....

... like a child who's just crapped themselves, but is smirking because at least his pants are nice and warm now.

Nah like a great adventurer being able to tell the doomsayers that the world isn't flat but big and full of wonderful opportunities !!!! you carry on with the Bed wetting ...

you actually believe that, don’t you?

[Gandahar]

David Cameron. Where is he now?

He didn't get the result he wanted and then as Captain decided to get on the first available life boat it seems.

Well done David. Your middle names are not Churchill or Winston I assume....

[sidicks]

Jimboka said:

COULD UK U-TURN ON REFERENDUM RESULT ?

Well no, because it happened

Nothing good has come out of it though. Not 1 thing

So the government, those paid to govern, should ignore it.

Wrong.