Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
citizensm1th said:
not gona happen until the BBC is dissolved BTW how the f
k is israel in eurovision?
Israel is a member of the EBU (European Broadcasting Union). In fact, I think it is a founding member and the EBU is older than the EEC/EU.k is israel in eurovision? Australia isn't so not sure how that one worked.
Dr Jekyll said:
We are already trading throughout the world. What we do is say 'we'll lift import tariffs on your stuff if you reciprocate', the way trade deals have always worked.
Ok, the campaign will be based on leaving the EU without financial services but a bespoke Canada type deal. Then we take the gamble that all other countries in the world are willing to have a free trade agreement which will include financial services and be better than any deal that we already have in place. Failing us getting financial service deals we will walk and settle for WTO.Ghibli said:
Dr Jekyll said:
We are already trading throughout the world. What we do is say 'we'll lift import tariffs on your stuff if you reciprocate', the way trade deals have always worked.
Ok, the campaign will be based on leaving the EU without financial services but a bespoke Canada type deal. Then we take the gamble that all other countries in the world are willing to have a free trade agreement which will include financial services and be better than any deal that we already have in place. Failing us getting financial service deals we will walk and settle for WTO.Dr Jekyll said:
Since we have no trade agreements with the vast majority of the world, and continue to trade quite happily, I don't see your point.
I'm talking about the new leave campaign "if" we have another referendum.It's about what the leave campaign will offer voters. You said we will be offering the rest of the world free trade. I have pointed out that the rest of the world might not agree which would put us on WTO.
Ghibli said:
I'm talking about the new leave campaign "if" we have another referendum.
It's about what the leave campaign will offer voters. You said we will be offering the rest of the world free trade. I have pointed out that the rest of the world might not agree which would put us on WTO.
Of course they might not agree, but at least we'll have the option to try. If they aren't interested we can remain on WTO but with the additional option of reducing tariffs unilaterally, which we can't do now.It's about what the leave campaign will offer voters. You said we will be offering the rest of the world free trade. I have pointed out that the rest of the world might not agree which would put us on WTO.
Dr Jekyll said:
Of course they might not agree, but at least we'll have the option to try. If they aren't interested we can remain on WTO but with the additional option of reducing tariffs unilaterally, which we can't do now.
Ok, so the leave campaign could provide a list of all the trade deals we have in place being part of the EU and supply another list of trade deals we would like to achieve. This would give Uk voters the advantage of knowing what they are voting for.
I appreciate you answering although I am shocked that nobody else has answered when they are usually sure that they know what they voted for.
As a side note, I take it that you are aware that Patrick Mineford was not part of the official leave campaign.
Ghibli said:
Ok, so the leave campaign could provide a list of all the trade deals we have in place being part of the EU and supply another list of trade deals we would like to achieve.
This would give Uk voters the advantage of knowing what they are voting for.
I appreciate you answering although I am shocked that nobody else has answered when they are usually sure that they know what they voted for.
As a side note, I take it that you are aware that Patrick Mineford was not part of the official leave campaign.
Lists of EU trade deals are widely available (and rather short). It was also made perfectly clear that freedom from the customs union would give freedom to try for trade deals with everybody. None of it was secret.This would give Uk voters the advantage of knowing what they are voting for.
I appreciate you answering although I am shocked that nobody else has answered when they are usually sure that they know what they voted for.
As a side note, I take it that you are aware that Patrick Mineford was not part of the official leave campaign.
Assuming you're referring to Professor Patrick Minford, his observations are valid irrespective of whether he was part of the campaign.
Ghibli said:
Ok, so the leave campaign could provide a list of all the trade deals we have in place being part of the EU and supply another list of trade deals we would like to achieve.
This would give Uk voters the advantage of knowing what they are voting for.
I appreciate you answering although I am shocked that nobody else has answered when they are usually sure that they know what they voted for.
As a side note, I take it that you are aware that Patrick Mineford was not part of the official leave campaign.
As a side note, are you aware there won't be another referendum?This would give Uk voters the advantage of knowing what they are voting for.
I appreciate you answering although I am shocked that nobody else has answered when they are usually sure that they know what they voted for.
As a side note, I take it that you are aware that Patrick Mineford was not part of the official leave campaign.
Dr Jekyll said:
Lists of EU trade deals are widely available (and rather short). It was also made perfectly clear that freedom from the customs union would give freedom to try for trade deals with everybody. None of it was secret.
Assuming you're referring to Professor Patrick Minford, his observations are valid irrespective of whether he was part of the campaign.
Yes my mistake with the spelling of Minford. If his views are not being used they are not valid.Assuming you're referring to Professor Patrick Minford, his observations are valid irrespective of whether he was part of the campaign.
If a new campaign goes ahead surely it would be better to educated the public of what they are voting for. This would apply to both sides and be based on factual situations. The one thing that the public has learnt is that there was an awful lot of BS in the last referendum.(both sides) The one thing that we now know is the type of deal we will be getting with the EU. The rest of the world is an unknown.
I would like to think the public deserve better, second time round if it happens.
Dr Jekyll said:
Lists of EU trade deals are widely available (and rather short). It was also made perfectly clear that freedom from the customs union would give freedom to try for trade deals with everybody. None of it was secret.
List of EU agreements covering trade are available and are quite extensive.Ghibli said:
I would like to think the public deserve better, second time round if it happens.
I actually agree with you in that respect - the public did deserve better last time round but the rules around referendum campaigning are much less stringent than a GE - I'm not sure why that should be the case and I'd definitely support a "tightening of the rules"However...... I think IF* there was a second time around Remain would have a bigger problem convincing the voting public of the benefits of remaining in the EU - I still haven't heard a really good reason to remain in the EU (I had 11 reasons in my list of reasons to stay but none of them were exactly great)
* IF is a bloody big IF
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