Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
Mrr T said:
So on that basis TM was being undemocratic by calling an election because the tory party had not completed everything in its last manifesto.
May was stupid to call one and should have stuck to the fixed term parliament act. However she used the prescribed process for calling one.
Her calling of one had nothing to do with their prior manifesto.
mx5nut said:
It's always the other side's fault for Leavers - even when it's the leader of their movement.
Farage is a caricature of himself and should be regarded thus. But...His reason for stating what he did (which was not calling for a 2nd referendum from the question response I heard) appears to be those in the Remain camp constantly whining and the likes of Blair banging on.
It also keeps him in the news
Ref blaming other sides, it's a decent comment. You might want to spend more time reflecting on how the hell Remain actually lost the referendum in 2016...
Murph7355 said:
Mrr T said:
List of EU agreements covering trade are available and are quite extensive.
I guess it depends on how you define "extensive". It looks fairly extensive.
Bearing in mind that at present we have no trade deals of our own and each deal that we get will be bespoke to the country we are dealing with. Fox has already said that UK businesses are lazy and need to produce more if we want to get trade deals, I would suggest we have a fairly long way to go before we get the deals we want.
Ghibli said:
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-reg...
It looks fairly extensive.
Bearing in mind that at present we have no trade deals of our own and each deal that we get will be bespoke to the country we are dealing with. Fox has already said that UK businesses are lazy and need to produce more if we want to get trade deals, I would suggest we have a fairly long way to go before we get the deals we want.
As noted, define extensive. Volume of paper? Number of sectors covered? Number of countries? Value of trade and amount of benefit versus WTO structures? Relative positions of countries wrt GDP? It looks fairly extensive.
Bearing in mind that at present we have no trade deals of our own and each deal that we get will be bespoke to the country we are dealing with. Fox has already said that UK businesses are lazy and need to produce more if we want to get trade deals, I would suggest we have a fairly long way to go before we get the deals we want.
You are aware of why we don't have any trade deals of our own...?
Ghibli said:
Murph7355 said:
Mrr T said:
List of EU agreements covering trade are available and are quite extensive.
I guess it depends on how you define "extensive". It looks fairly extensive.
Bearing in mind that at present we have no trade deals of our own and each deal that we get will be bespoke to the country we are dealing with. Fox has already said that UK businesses are lazy and need to produce more if we want to get trade deals, I would suggest we have a fairly long way to go before we get the deals we want.
Murph7355 said:
Mrr T said:
List of EU agreements covering trade are available and are quite extensive.
I guess it depends on how you define "extensive". Ghibli said:
Fox has already said that UK businesses are lazy and need to produce more if we want to get trade deals, I would suggest we have a fairly long way to go before we get the deals we want.
Don't Brexiteers ever get tired of talking the country down?Why can't any of them be the tiniest bit patriotic?
mx5nut said:
Ghibli said:
Fox has already said that UK businesses are lazy and need to produce more if we want to get trade deals, I would suggest we have a fairly long way to go before we get the deals we want.
Don't Brexiteers ever get tired of talking the country down?Why can't any of them be the tiniest bit patriotic?
Mrr T said:
The estimate by Richard North is I believe 33 treaties and since some are with economic organisation the estimate is that 80% of UK exports are reliant on the treaties.
I don't suppose you have a link? I've been reading through a number of his pieces to see how he comes to this and not found it.I also suspect "reliant" is stretching it a bit so wanted to see where he was coming from on that front.
KrissKross said:
TRADE DEALS, consist usually of stuff you need to help your lives. Please add to the list:
I/WE NEED OR WOULD LIKE FROM EUROPE:
1/ Wine
I/WE NEED OR WOULD LIKE FROM OUTSIDE EUROPE:
1/ New Mobile Phone
2/ New Socks and pants
British wine is ok. Nice after the second bottle.I/WE NEED OR WOULD LIKE FROM EUROPE:
1/ Wine
I/WE NEED OR WOULD LIKE FROM OUTSIDE EUROPE:
1/ New Mobile Phone
2/ New Socks and pants
Ghibli said:
Murph7355 said:
Mrr T said:
List of EU agreements covering trade are available and are quite extensive.
I guess it depends on how you define "extensive". It looks fairly extensive.
Bearing in mind that at present we have no trade deals of our own and each deal that we get will be bespoke to the country we are dealing with. Fox has already said that UK businesses are lazy and need to produce more if we want to get trade deals, I would suggest we have a fairly long way to go before we get the deals we want.
This is what the gold standard of trade agreements looks like? These are the type of trade deals that we can only enjoy as part of the EU?
Where are the deals with the US, Japan, China, India, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, etc?
You'd have thought 45 years was enough time to sort out FTAs with the biggest economies. Apparently not.
amusingduck said:
....that's it?
This is what the gold standard of trade agreements looks like? These are the type of trade deals that we can only enjoy as part of the EU?
Where are the deals with the US, Japan, China, India, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, etc?
You'd have thought 45 years was enough time to sort out FTAs with the biggest economies. Apparently not.
This is what the gold standard of trade agreements looks like? These are the type of trade deals that we can only enjoy as part of the EU?
Where are the deals with the US, Japan, China, India, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, etc?
You'd have thought 45 years was enough time to sort out FTAs with the biggest economies. Apparently not.
You are assuming they want them.
PurpleMoonlight said:
amusingduck said:
....that's it?
This is what the gold standard of trade agreements looks like? These are the type of trade deals that we can only enjoy as part of the EU?
Where are the deals with the US, Japan, China, India, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, etc?
You'd have thought 45 years was enough time to sort out FTAs with the biggest economies. Apparently not.
This is what the gold standard of trade agreements looks like? These are the type of trade deals that we can only enjoy as part of the EU?
Where are the deals with the US, Japan, China, India, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, etc?
You'd have thought 45 years was enough time to sort out FTAs with the biggest economies. Apparently not.
You are assuming they want them.
and trucks ... 22% duty on non EU commercial vehicles !!! thats why FTAs get kicked into the long grass ....
Edited by powerstroke on Monday 15th January 08:10
PurpleMoonlight said:
amusingduck said:
....that's it?
This is what the gold standard of trade agreements looks like? These are the type of trade deals that we can only enjoy as part of the EU?
Where are the deals with the US, Japan, China, India, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, etc?
You'd have thought 45 years was enough time to sort out FTAs with the biggest economies. Apparently not.
This is what the gold standard of trade agreements looks like? These are the type of trade deals that we can only enjoy as part of the EU?
Where are the deals with the US, Japan, China, India, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, etc?
You'd have thought 45 years was enough time to sort out FTAs with the biggest economies. Apparently not.
You are assuming they want them.
Not sure what we would call those people, mind :P
Boris Johnson would 'rather stay in' the EU than accept a soft Brexit
Farage calling for a second ref, Boris having doubts about the dream coming true.
The cracks are starting to show.
Farage calling for a second ref, Boris having doubts about the dream coming true.
The cracks are starting to show.
powerstroke said:
Good point the french won't want free trade in wine the germans won't want japanese cars
and trucks ... 22% duty on non EU commercial vehicles !!! thats why FTAs get kicked into the long grass ....
Let's hope we get the financial services deals with the rest of the world that you are fighting for.and trucks ... 22% duty on non EU commercial vehicles !!! thats why FTAs get kicked into the long grass ....
Edited by powerstroke on Monday 15th January 08:10
Ghibli said:
powerstroke said:
Good point the french won't want free trade in wine the germans won't want japanese cars
and trucks ... 22% duty on non EU commercial vehicles !!! thats why FTAs get kicked into the long grass ....
Let's hope we get the financial services deals with the rest of the world that you are fighting for.and trucks ... 22% duty on non EU commercial vehicles !!! thats why FTAs get kicked into the long grass ....
Edited by powerstroke on Monday 15th January 08:10
This all to go badly for the UK, and you to be proven right.
This all to go well for the UK, and you to be proven wrong.
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