Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
The Dangerous Elk said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Using the term Brexiteer to paint all leave voters with one dross post.
Rubbish.PurpleMoonlight said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Do you want to get into that level of argument ?, then go to a playground and discuss the best type of Haribo
It was a statement not an argument.And you don't need to click 'quote all' every time.
ks) list then.Just been having a chat with some Remainers on Twitter.
Obviously everything I said was wrong.
But they said they would expect the EU to reform in time. Fair point and I would like to agree, but I don't think it ever will.
So I posed the question
"As a Remainer, what would you like to see the EU reform to entice the UK to stay?"
If they binned off FoM and reduced the ECJ jurisdiction here. Reduced the UKs contribution, Took away (or severely capped) all the money it gives to half the EU27. How can Poland be getting so much??? I could imagine a second "are you sure you want to leave now the EU has binned X, Y and Z" referendum
SIlence was the stern reply!
So I thought I'd ask on here. Remainers, (not the REMOANER type since you think nothing is wrong) How can the EU win back the UK? What would it take?
Obviously everything I said was wrong.
But they said they would expect the EU to reform in time. Fair point and I would like to agree, but I don't think it ever will.So I posed the question
"As a Remainer, what would you like to see the EU reform to entice the UK to stay?"
If they binned off FoM and reduced the ECJ jurisdiction here. Reduced the UKs contribution, Took away (or severely capped) all the money it gives to half the EU27. How can Poland be getting so much??? I could imagine a second "are you sure you want to leave now the EU has binned X, Y and Z" referendum
SIlence was the stern reply!
So I thought I'd ask on here. Remainers, (not the REMOANER type since you think nothing is wrong) How can the EU win back the UK? What would it take?
Rich_W said:
Just been having a chat with some Remainers on Twitter.
Obviously everything I said was wrong. But they said they would expect the EU to reform in time. Fair point and I would like to agree, but I don't think it ever will.
So I posed the question
"As a Remainer, what would you like to see the EU reform to entice the UK to stay?"
If they binned off FoM and reduced the ECJ jurisdiction here. Reduced the UKs contribution, Took away (or severely capped) all the money it gives to half the EU27. How can Poland be getting so much??? I could imagine a second "are you sure you want to leave now the EU has binned X, Y and Z" referendum
SIlence was the stern reply!
So I thought I'd ask on here. Remainers, (not the REMOANER type since you think nothing is wrong) How can the EU win back the UK? What would it take?
Do most remainers dont think they need to do anything of the sort?Obviously everything I said was wrong.
But they said they would expect the EU to reform in time. Fair point and I would like to agree, but I don't think it ever will.So I posed the question
"As a Remainer, what would you like to see the EU reform to entice the UK to stay?"
If they binned off FoM and reduced the ECJ jurisdiction here. Reduced the UKs contribution, Took away (or severely capped) all the money it gives to half the EU27. How can Poland be getting so much??? I could imagine a second "are you sure you want to leave now the EU has binned X, Y and Z" referendum
SIlence was the stern reply!
So I thought I'd ask on here. Remainers, (not the REMOANER type since you think nothing is wrong) How can the EU win back the UK? What would it take?
Anybody see Verhofstadt on Andrew Marr on Sunday,
The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
PRTVR said:
Anybody see Verhofstadt on Andrew Marr on Sunday,
The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
No deal should absolutely mean a change of government considering it would confirm the current one is totally inept.The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
Who wouldnt want to kick them out?
p1stonhead said:
PRTVR said:
Anybody see Verhofstadt on Andrew Marr on Sunday,
The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
No deal should absolutely mean a change of government considering it would confirm the current one is totally inept.The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
Who wouldnt want to kick them out?
PRTVR said:
My point was it takes two to make a deal, if the EU take the point that there best bet to keep us in is no deal, which is what he indicated , how can any government get a deal that is acceptable?
Just remember though, despite the constant noises from remainer backing media and politicians about reversing the referendum, it is May's fault if she cannot negotiate a good deal.If they come back with a deal (along the lines of what is currently expected) and it is rejected by parliament then there should be fresh elections, with any MPs who voted against the deal expelled from the party. Better Corybn as Prime Minister than the Tories betraying the people.
Edited by JagLover on Monday 19th February 07:46
PRTVR said:
Anybody see Verhofstadt on Andrew Marr on Sunday,
The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
What a snide snake Verhostadt is, what nasty people the EU are !!!The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
European partners My arse,
We should wake up and smell the coffee and realise it's a War ,
Appeasement once again has proven to be the wrong angle
they don't want there empire to fall which is understandable
we need a strong leader we need Mogg !!!
We need to leave first THEN attempt a deal anything else allows them the upper hand we have had enough jaw jaw ...
Edited by powerstroke on Monday 19th February 07:42
JagLover said:
PRTVR said:
My point was it takes two to make a deal, if the EU take the point that there best bet to keep us in is no deal, which is what he indicated , how can any government get a deal that is acceptable?
Just remember though, despite the constant noises from remainer backing media and politicians about reversing the referendum, it is May's fault if she cannot negotiate a good deal.If they come back with a deal and it is rejected by parliament then there should be fresh elections, with any MPS who voted against the deal expelled from the party. Better Corybn as Prime Minister than the Tories betraying the people.
disappointed ?
PRTVR said:
Anybody see Verhofstadt on Andrew Marr on Sunday,
The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
I think that is a distinct possibility. The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
Whether the deal is bad or not for this reason is another matter - the deal will be what it is anyway. It will be the best the brexiteers can do by definition.
The trigger could be the HoP rejecting May/Davis deal - with brexiteers sacked on mass. New Govt, massive power struggles. Hopefully won't mean Corbyn.
Edited by Gloria Slap on Monday 19th February 07:48
PRTVR said:
JagLover said:
PRTVR said:
My point was it takes two to make a deal, if the EU take the point that there best bet to keep us in is no deal, which is what he indicated , how can any government get a deal that is acceptable?
Just remember though, despite the constant noises from remainer backing media and politicians about reversing the referendum, it is May's fault if she cannot negotiate a good deal.If they come back with a deal and it is rejected by parliament then there should be fresh elections, with any MPS who voted against the deal expelled from the party. Better Corybn as Prime Minister than the Tories betraying the people.
disappointed ?
powerstroke said:
PRTVR said:
Anybody see Verhofstadt on Andrew Marr on Sunday,
The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
What a snide snake Verhostadt is, what nasty people the EU are !!!The clip is 12 minutes long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05ykmkv
Interestingly at the end he indicated that if there was no deal, he thought that there would possibly be a change of government in the UK and a reversal of Brexit.
Maybe that's the direction the EU is heading, a bad deal in the hope of a reversal.
European partners My arse,
We should wake up and smell the coffee and realise it's a War ,
Appeasement once again has proven to be the wrong angle
they don't want there empire to fall which is understandable
we need a strong leader we need Mogg !!!
We need to leave first THEN attempt a deal anything else allows them the upper hand we have had enough jaw jaw ...
Are you seriously disputing that the EU wishes us harm?
JagLover said:
If they come back with a deal (along the lines of what is currently expected) and it is rejected by parliament then there should be fresh elections, with any MPs who voted against the deal expelled from the party. Better Corybn as Prime Minister than the Tories betraying the people.
Whilst the MPs will talk a lot and no doubt some will decide to vote against whatever deal is agreed upon, I can't see it being rejected by Parliament. In England, where most of the Labour and Tory MPs come from, it was Leave 53.4% vs 46.6%. Wales came in about average at 52.5% vs 47.5%. The only reason it got to 52/48 was down to Scotland & NI, neither of which are big on Tory MPs.
But if they did vote it down then yes, I think we would have Corbyn in #10, maybe in coalition with the SNP. Now that is something to look forward to.
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