Incident Croydon tram
Discussion
Shakermaker said:
This new "infrared sleep sensor" that the drivers are saying is causing them undue headaches etc, why was this brought in instead of the more traditional system that I am familiar with in other trains where you have to press a button every 15-20 seconds to prove you are not asleep? A bit more than the "dead man's handle" system which clearly, can still operate when you are asleep if you are holding on to it?
They do have such devices in the trams already, but the drivers claim they don't work and are "unfit for purpose"https://insidecroydon.com/2017/04/24/safety-handle...
Possibly, because the tram shares the road with other vehicles/people walking out etc, the trams need something faster acting than a dead man's handle device that only checks periodically, I don't know.
kev1974 said:
They do have such devices in the trams already, but the drivers claim they don't work and are "unfit for purpose"
https://insidecroydon.com/2017/04/24/safety-handle...
Possibly, because the tram shares the road with other vehicles/people walking out etc, the trams need something faster acting than a dead man's handle device that only checks periodically, I don't know.
The article says about the handles breaking/not working, but I definitely remember having watched more than one documentary inside the cab of a train where the driver has to press a button ever few seconds, failing to do so will stop the train (it may have been failing to do so twice in succession). https://insidecroydon.com/2017/04/24/safety-handle...
Possibly, because the tram shares the road with other vehicles/people walking out etc, the trams need something faster acting than a dead man's handle device that only checks periodically, I don't know.
Seems like they found the driver simply lost concentration or had a 'microsleep' after going through a reletively long (49 seconds) and boring/unstimulating (through a dark tunnel) section of the route where he didnt have to do anything but sit there at maximum speed. It was a dark rainy morning and there was nothing that would alert drivers on a dark morning to their usual braking point (this seems crazy!).
Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 7th December 13:30
p1stonhead said:
Seems like they found the driver simply lost concentration or had a 'microsleep' after going through a reletively long (49 seconds) and boring/unstimulating (through a dark tunnel) section of the route where he didnt have to do anything but sit there at maximum speed. It was a dark rainy morning and there was nothing that would alert drivers on a dark morning to their usual braking point (this seems crazy!).
Similar to the Spanish rail crash a few years ago, IIRC.p1stonhead said:
Seems like they found the driver simply lost concentration or had a 'microsleep' after going through a reletively long (49 seconds) and boring/unstimulating (through a dark tunnel) section of the route where he didnt have to do anything but sit there at maximum speed. It was a dark rainy morning and there was nothing that would alert drivers on a dark morning to their usual braking point (this seems crazy!).
it relied on them knowing the routeAs said earlier the solitary 20 sign was reminiscent of the Ladbrook? crash where a badly sited signal was known for being missed
Stedman said:
I'm still waiting for MarshPhantom to post 
Is that possiblehttps://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?me...
I see what you mean
What if he did black out, what if he was working s
t loads of overtime to pay the bills and had a micro sleep?
Guess you've never ever made a mistake. I'll wait for rhe full verdict before casting too many opinions.Time will tell. The driver claiming to have passed out doesn't seem particularly plausible. This is supposed to have happened on a regular basis, speeding rather crashing obviously.
Mistakes? I've certainly never killed or injured anyone.I'll wait and see what the full report say before calling him a knob and asking for a prison sentence.
Also, as a user of these trams it seems that the policy - or accepted driving standards - in less dense areas is harsh acceleration and braking, the latter reducing the margin for error. People complained about poor standards on the tram, not on HIS tram prior to the accident.
Take a step back and ask WHY it was travelling quickly before casting judgement or perhaps just read the full report.OK, what if it turns out it is all the driver's fault? What punishment should he receive?
To me at least, the fact he's claimed to have passed out means he knows he fked up big time.
MarshPhantom said:
Stedman said:
MarshPhantom said:
RemyMartin said:
MarshPhantom said:
Because a lot of people died because he was driving like an idiot maybe. People had also complained about the very poor driving standards on this tram prior to the accident.
You know that for 100% then?What if he did black out, what if he was working s
t loads of overtime to pay the bills and had a micro sleep? Guess you've never ever made a mistake. I'll wait for rhe full verdict before casting too many opinions.
Mistakes? I've certainly never killed or injured anyone.
Also, as a user of these trams it seems that the policy - or accepted driving standards - in less dense areas is harsh acceleration and braking, the latter reducing the margin for error. People complained about poor standards on the tram, not on HIS tram prior to the accident.
Take a step back and ask WHY it was travelling quickly before casting judgement or perhaps just read the full report.
To me at least, the fact he's claimed to have passed out means he knows he f
ked up big time. p1stonhead said:
Seems like they found the driver simply lost concentration or had a 'microsleep' after going through a reletively long (49 seconds) and boring/unstimulating (through a dark tunnel) section of the route where he didnt have to do anything but sit there at maximum speed. It was a dark rainy morning and there was nothing that would alert drivers on a dark morning to their usual braking point (this seems crazy!).
Blimey you read 175 pages quickly. I've only just finished it and I'm considered to be a fast reader.Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 7th December 13:30
Trams to get speed monitoring https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46861...
(BBC need better proofreading as well)
Can't believe that two years on they still haven't brought charges against the driver, oddly enough he lives locally opposite my friends parents so it must be awkward for them as well.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/croydon-tra...
(BBC need better proofreading as well)
Can't believe that two years on they still haven't brought charges against the driver, oddly enough he lives locally opposite my friends parents so it must be awkward for them as well.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/croydon-tra...
turbomoped said:
If only he had been foreign with a provocative name he could have been punished by now and we could all relax.
Regardless you cant let a fool like that do the job again. Hope his contract means toilet cleaner is a fair job assignment.
To be fair , putting that 20kph max bend after a full speed straight with only one warning sign and no dire warning about the angle of the bend, could be regarded as a trapRegardless you cant let a fool like that do the job again. Hope his contract means toilet cleaner is a fair job assignment.
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