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alfie2244 said:
ATG said:
Err ... the insults almost always start flying from the Leaver side of these threads. I frankly can't be bothered to see if you've lobbed any around, but claiming that jjlynn27 generally resorts to them first is risible.
Our resident Finn does nothing but insult people as anyone with half a brain cell can tell for themselves.
jjlynn27 said:
Thanks for that. Indeed stuff, rather than staff. You are still wrong on only, few and number of NATO members.
Now, it seems that your sidekick is getting too emotional for my liking, so I'll ask you, what do you think about EU army, regardless of 29 members of NATO.
Personally I would have no problem with the EU having its own army if the EU was a friendly, benevolent organisation only interested in looking after and doing the best it can for all its people as you and others are constantly telling us it is. However, in reality it scares the living bejeesus out of me. Now, it seems that your sidekick is getting too emotional for my liking, so I'll ask you, what do you think about EU army, regardless of 29 members of NATO.
IMHO we already have far too many "private" armies controlled by unelected and undemocratic countries and federations and the last thing we need is another one in our own backyard. Do you really think that, looking at their past record, it is a good idea to give Drunkers and his cohorts control over anything more dangerous than a paperclip?
Bwahaha.
Priceless. Stalker and stalky kipper can't help themselves. Nothing if not predictable.
And loafer; still angry for being mocked for posting about BBC hiding facts (on the front page, lol)? The bad meany BBC! (there were no insults there at all just observation that you need to be rather dense to think that BBC will hide information on the front page.)
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Priceless. Stalker and stalky kipper can't help themselves. Nothing if not predictable.
And loafer; still angry for being mocked for posting about BBC hiding facts (on the front page, lol)? The bad meany BBC! (there were no insults there at all just observation that you need to be rather dense to think that BBC will hide information on the front page.)
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Vanden Saab said:
Personally I would have no problem with the EU having its own army if the EU was a friendly, benevolent organisation only interested in looking after and doing the best it can for all its people as you and others are constantly telling us it is. However, in reality it scares the living bejeesus out of me.
IMHO we already have far too many "private" armies controlled by unelected and undemocratic countries and federations and the last thing we need is another one in our own backyard. Do you really think that, looking at their past record, it is a good idea to give Drunkers and his cohorts control over anything more dangerous than a paperclip?
Right, ok you finally got that there were no insults (unless you think that repeating what you said is insulting).IMHO we already have far too many "private" armies controlled by unelected and undemocratic countries and federations and the last thing we need is another one in our own backyard. Do you really think that, looking at their past record, it is a good idea to give Drunkers and his cohorts control over anything more dangerous than a paperclip?
Please show few examples of me 'constantly telling' you or anyone else how good EU is. Not sure why you feel the need to make things up.
I think that it's very good idea to have a defensive force that less reliant on unhinged Trumpete. I doubt that it'll ever amount to anything more than joint control of existing national armies with clearly defined remit. Then again, very few things 'scare the living bejeesus out of me'.
jjlynn27 said:
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I think that it's very good idea to have a defensive force that less reliant on unhinged Trumpete. I doubt that it'll ever amount to anything more than joint control of existing national armies with clearly defined remit. Then again, very few things 'scare the living bejeesus out of me'.
Weren't you one of the ones laughing at people being concerned at the notion of an EU Army? Or was that someone else?I think that it's very good idea to have a defensive force that less reliant on unhinged Trumpete. I doubt that it'll ever amount to anything more than joint control of existing national armies with clearly defined remit. Then again, very few things 'scare the living bejeesus out of me'.
And you're more comfortable with the likes of Juncker than Trump...?
Kccv23highliftcam said:
jjlynn27 said:
Bwahaha.
Priceless. Stalker and stalky kipper can't help themselves. Nothing if not predictable.
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The only thing predictible is the verbose garbage you throw about ad nauseam.Priceless. Stalker and stalky kipper can't help themselves. Nothing if not predictable.
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te in spades, attracts comments, then cries "stalker".It's like looking inside the mind of a 10-year old.
Murph7355 said:
Weren't you one of the ones laughing at people being concerned at the notion of an EU Army? Or was that someone else?
And you're more comfortable with the likes of Juncker than Trump...?
In order to be an actual army, national member armies would have to be disbanded. I don't see that happening. I do see the defensive force of some description forming. Mostly limited C&C. No problem with that whatsoever. And you're more comfortable with the likes of Juncker than Trump...?
As for Trump vs Junker, both are trash, with Trump having much more actual power. I do think that it's delusional to think that Junker is going to have any saying whatsoever in running the above-mentioned defence force.
jjlynn27 said:
As for Trump vs Junker, both are trash, with Trump having much more actual power. I do think that it's delusional to think that Junker is going to have any saying whatsoever in running the above-mentioned defence force.
I think that you are both correct and incorrect. Trump has more power - correct. However I suspect that Junker and his ilk will manage to weasel a way to get way more power than you anticipate (though possibly less than I fear)Smiler. said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
jjlynn27 said:
Bwahaha.
Priceless. Stalker and stalky kipper can't help themselves. Nothing if not predictable.
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The only thing predictible is the verbose garbage you throw about ad nauseam.Priceless. Stalker and stalky kipper can't help themselves. Nothing if not predictable.
NP&E subscription; worth every penny.
Posts s
te in spades, attracts comments, then cries "stalker".It's like looking inside the mind of a 10-year old.
It must be a lonely place.
irocfan said:
I think that you are both correct and incorrect. Trump has more power - correct. However I suspect that Junker and his ilk will manage to weasel a way to get way more power than you anticipate (though possibly less than I fear)
You could be right. From few people in Brux that I know, Junker is an embarrassment (understatement here) and irrelevance. He was, apparently, against recalling EU ambassador from Russia over Skipals poisoning but was completely ignored. There are others in EU who wield a lot more actual power that I'm not comfortable with, but that's the topic for another thread. jjlynn27 said:
In order to be an actual army, national member armies would have to be disbanded. I don't see that happening. I do see the defensive force of some description forming. Mostly limited C&C. No problem with that whatsoever.
As for Trump vs Junker, both are trash, with Trump having much more actual power. I do think that it's delusional to think that Junker is going to have any saying whatsoever in running the above-mentioned defence force.
I don't agree with your definition of an "army". So I guess we're dealing with semantics now vv your previous derision of people concerned about it As for Trump vs Junker, both are trash, with Trump having much more actual power. I do think that it's delusional to think that Junker is going to have any saying whatsoever in running the above-mentioned defence force.
If Juncker is an irrelevance, why is he even in office? Either he isn't an irrelevance, which is a worry. Or the EU is happy to have layers of irrelevance.... Which is a worry. I guess Selmayr and others are equally irrelevant...
Well, I sit corrected, there won't be an "EU" army....
https://www.thelocal.de/20180802/german-army-consi...
Cunning but not the first time they have done it.
https://www.thelocal.de/20180802/german-army-consi...
Cunning but not the first time they have done it.
CaptainSlow said:
Well, I sit corrected, there won't be an "EU" army....
https://www.thelocal.de/20180802/german-army-consi...
Cunning but not the first time they have done it.
I have absolutely no idea if this source is reliable or not .https://www.thelocal.de/20180802/german-army-consi...
Cunning but not the first time they have done it.
"Germany Is Quietly Building a European Army Under Its Command"
"Germany and two of its European allies, the Czech Republic and Romania, quietly took a radical step down a path toward something that looks like an EU army while avoiding the messy politics associated with it: They announced the integration of their armed forces."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-qu...
https://mobile.twitter.com/GermanyDiplo/status/102...
Edited by BlackLabel on Saturday 18th August 22:58
I'm sure a German led military integration will be well received across the continent.
Their motivation is probably more to do with having big military aspirations while only wanting to spend 50p on it (and a lack of organisational quality) rather than anything like a 4th Reich.
At least for now.
Their motivation is probably more to do with having big military aspirations while only wanting to spend 50p on it (and a lack of organisational quality) rather than anything like a 4th Reich.
At least for now.
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