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Earthdweller said:
Leo “the lion” Varadkar has pledged that Ireland will play its part and replace the U.K. when it leaves the EU
They will deploy all 16 of their aeroplanes ( non combat) all of their fighting ships ... er sorry none again, well 8 patrol boats anyway, and all it’s armour .. yes they have about six armoured cars .. without guns
So we’re all safe
It's the RAF that defends Irish airspace! https://www.irishcentral.com/news/raf-forced-to-in...They will deploy all 16 of their aeroplanes ( non combat) all of their fighting ships ... er sorry none again, well 8 patrol boats anyway, and all it’s armour .. yes they have about six armoured cars .. without guns
So we’re all safe
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/royal-air-force-as...
Puggit said:
It's the RAF that defends Irish airspace! https://www.irishcentral.com/news/raf-forced-to-in...
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/royal-air-force-as...
And I'd hazard a guess that there are still more citizens of the Irish Republic in the British armed forces than in the Irish, and most welcome they are, too. Excellent fighting men.https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/royal-air-force-as...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46108633
"We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America," he told French radio station Europe 1."
"We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America," he told French radio station Europe 1."
LimaDelta said:
CrutyRammers said:
LotusMartin said:
At least there will be no discussion on the flag they'll use - just a plain white one usually suffices for the French.
Google "verdun".LimaDelta said:
fblm said:
Rovinghawk said:
fblm said:
Look at you with your fancy French acute accents!
C'est pas grave.
I imagine the intended use would be mainly internal rather than external i.e. when one or more of the Eastern European member states finally says NO to something that the EU has demanded and the EU army (which would mainly be Germans led by French I would imagine) would be used to force that member-state to concede to the majority.
On a completely unrelated note there a great book by Larry Bond called Cauldron, written in 1993, about a near-future situation where an EU-style army of mainly Germans led by French which is used to force various Eastern European member-state into agreeing to something the population don't want.
On a completely unrelated note there a great book by Larry Bond called Cauldron, written in 1993, about a near-future situation where an EU-style army of mainly Germans led by French which is used to force various Eastern European member-state into agreeing to something the population don't want.
from the book said:
North African immigrants are flooding Europe looking for work, riots in France and Germany prompts both countries to create the "EurCon" collective and attempt to force a number of Eastern European nations to accept the immigrants.
Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia stand up against EurCon, which gradually deploys combat troops to their borders. France also negotiates with Russia to stop natural-gas shipments to Poland.
The United States comes in to support Poland by sending an LNG tanker to Gdask; French covert operatives blow it up in the harbour. The U.S. Navy starts sending armed convoys to force a breakthrough of the Baltic Sea and keep the supply lines open.
French oppression in Eastern Europe comes to a head with a people's uprising in Budapest. Seeing the turmoil as a potential harbinger for unrest, France orders the EurCon military to subjugate the Hungarians days later As the US and UK get drawn in to the conflict the only question remaining is..........where will this end?
Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia stand up against EurCon, which gradually deploys combat troops to their borders. France also negotiates with Russia to stop natural-gas shipments to Poland.
The United States comes in to support Poland by sending an LNG tanker to Gdask; French covert operatives blow it up in the harbour. The U.S. Navy starts sending armed convoys to force a breakthrough of the Baltic Sea and keep the supply lines open.
French oppression in Eastern Europe comes to a head with a people's uprising in Budapest. Seeing the turmoil as a potential harbinger for unrest, France orders the EurCon military to subjugate the Hungarians days later As the US and UK get drawn in to the conflict the only question remaining is..........where will this end?
Edited by IanH755 on Wednesday 7th November 17:41
It would also leave the EU as a conventional weapons only force. France considers nuclear forces as sovereign only and no UK war heads available. With the overtones coming from Trump about pulling out of NATO then no EU leverage available for either tactical or strategic weapons.
On the up side, no real need to pay for a blue water navy to protect the GIUK gap as there will be no help coming across the Atlantic. Coastal protection can be done with a row boat and a tin opener.
On the up side, no real need to pay for a blue water navy to protect the GIUK gap as there will be no help coming across the Atlantic. Coastal protection can be done with a row boat and a tin opener.
Starfighter said:
It would also leave the EU as a conventional weapons only force. France considers nuclear forces as sovereign only and no UK war heads available. With the overtones coming from Trump about pulling out of NATO then no EU leverage available for either tactical or strategic weapons.
On the up side, no real need to pay for a blue water navy to protect the GIUK gap as there will be no help coming across the Atlantic. Coastal protection can be done with a row boat and a tin opener.
Has we stayed, UK warheads would never in any circumstances have been available to a EU force either. On the up side, no real need to pay for a blue water navy to protect the GIUK gap as there will be no help coming across the Atlantic. Coastal protection can be done with a row boat and a tin opener.
Even if TM found it acceptable, the Yanks would freak, not least with a French President who seems happy publicly to equate the ally who bailed his country's arse out, not once but twice, on the same level as Russia and China.
But his manoeuvres also have implications for the UK's security policy and Anglo-French co-operation. If you read the Preambles/Recitals to the two Lancaster House Treaties, Macron seems prepared to drive a coach and horses through them and I think some of them might need to be re-written, especially the references to NATO and the security dimensions of the EU.
No bad thing, as having the French as allies has seldom worked well for the UK.
BryanC said:
If the other EU 27 are already short changing NATO with insufficient money then what makes Macron think he will get an adequate contribution to cover the costs of another army.
Those countries currently in hock will be persuaded to buy large amounts of armaments from German and French suppliers to throw into the pot. Greece is already on point. They'll get a bit more along with Spain and Italy. Poland already do OK. The rest will be roped in later Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff