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toppstuff said:
thetrickcyclist said:
You tell us, in light of the latest discoveries, online, that their intent is, in fact, benevolent.
Rather, perhaps corroborate and verify your claim that there is something fishy going on ?An EU flag on the side of a vehicle tells us nothing. Nothing at all.
toppstuff said:
gooner1 said:
He isn't now, Stufftopp has just concurred with him.
My old Range Rover has an EU flag on the number plate. Maybe I am part of the conspiracy too?
t one at that.Up until 2008 drivers who displayed any emblem other than the s
tty dozen stars EU logo on their number plates were said to be committing an offence that could land them with a fine. f
king EU and its aholes in charge. It would take a good seven more years of negotiating to overturn this rule so that car owners, like me and many other 'patriotic' and Europe loving, but EU-hating motorists, could choose to display something more akin to the nation we live in, ie a Union Flag, a Cross of St George, a St Andrew’s cross or even the Welsh Dragon. Anything but that 'we're in charge' emblem. Again, it's not a flag!
The EU can f right off. The sooner. The better. If you love 'em, go and f join 'em! And leave us with our independence.
toppstuff said:
An EU flag on the side of a vehicle tells us nothing. Nothing at all.
It tells us that the people who authorised it don't have a clue what the symbolism it shows could mean to some people who already are suspicious of the EU or even Anti-EU.It doesn't take much intelligence to realise putting that on a vehicle used to suppress the public in France is a bad idea.
There is a reason why PR companies exist, whoever is running the PR for the EU and French state had a bad day, you can bet they will be getting their arses spanked tomorrow for that screw up. (assuming there are any brains in the whole establishment and they haven't gone full retard (which is quite likely actually))
Don't see anything wrong with an EU army.
The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
F1GTRUeno said:
Don't see anything wrong with an EU army.
The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
I’m struggling to get excited about it to be honest. The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
In some respects I think it’s quite a good idea, it would certainly reduce our reliance on the US and mean that we accept responsibility for our own defence.
Taking back control as it were. Now where have I heard that before?
F1GTRUeno said:
Don't see anything wrong with an EU army.
The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
Not even sure where to start with this... Are the EU our enemies too?The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
jsf said:
It tells us that the people who authorised it don't have a clue what the symbolism it shows could mean to some people who already are suspicious of the EU or even Anti-EU.
It doesn't take much intelligence to realise putting that on a vehicle used to suppress the public in France is a bad idea.
There is a reason why PR companies exist, whoever is running the PR for the EU and French state had a bad day, you can bet they will be getting their arses spanked tomorrow for that screw up. (assuming there are any brains in the whole establishment and they haven't gone full retard (which is quite likely actually))
Exactly this.It doesn't take much intelligence to realise putting that on a vehicle used to suppress the public in France is a bad idea.
There is a reason why PR companies exist, whoever is running the PR for the EU and French state had a bad day, you can bet they will be getting their arses spanked tomorrow for that screw up. (assuming there are any brains in the whole establishment and they haven't gone full retard (which is quite likely actually))
It's a daft piece of PR that sends a very bad message to those already suspicious of the state.
That said, giant leap from the balanced sensible stuff jsf has said to the more tinfoil hat stuff on this thread.
Zut alors!
F1GTRUeno said:
Don't see anything wrong with an EU army.
The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong. We help allies if they are attacked, not into any war they happen to get involved in.The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
Remind me how our European allies helped during the Falklands conflict? Oh that's right, some of them actively worked against us.
F1GTRUeno said:
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
Well I'm glad you're sure. I'd rather we prepared for every eventuality, especially given the predeliction of some of our EU friends to side with anyone other than the UK.F1GTRUeno said:
Don't see anything wrong with an EU army.
The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
The US are our enemies? Wow... You have been entirely brain washed. The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
You'll find far more in common with Americans in general than you will with people living only 500 miles to our East.
Enemies... Unbelievable.
In 2 world wars they joined the side of democracy. Yes slowly, but that was how their democratic system worked at the time.
Should we think about who those much closer to home supported?
mx5nut said:
toppstuff said:
thetrickcyclist said:
You tell us, in light of the latest discoveries, online, that their intent is, in fact, benevolent.
Rather, perhaps corroborate and verify your claim that there is something fishy going on ?An EU flag on the side of a vehicle tells us nothing. Nothing at all.
But now we have military equipment with EU flags on them and we're expected to just ignore it as fake news?
Yes an EU army would be used to suppress dissent. Just learn about how modern history, armies and non-democratic forms of government go together in this regard.
F1GTRUeno said:
Don't see anything wrong with an EU army.
The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a b
ad idea again?
Jesus Christ The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a b
ad idea again?
F1GTRUeno said:
Don't see anything wrong with an EU army.
The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
Unbelievable!The US aren't our friends, they're our enemies. As are China and Russia.
We've effectively had an EU army anyway as part of NATO. We have to follow our allies into war if they find themselves in one.
We're never going to unilaterally go to war with anyone again, I'm pretty sure of that so does the idea of a national army really matter all that much beyond misplaced (as ever) faux patriotism?
What are the reasons why it's a bad idea again?
otis criblecoblis said:
Europe and the UK is defended massively by the American military umbrella . Absurd to say otherwise, although it seems plenty will.
Absurd to think they're not doing it solely for the benefit of the US.In short they can either fight Russia in Europe or they can fight them on their own borders. We serve the same purpose for the US that Cuba did for the USSR.
toppstuff said:
don'tbesilly said:
Unbelievable!
Apropos of nothing, 
I do not regard an American as a greater friend than a Dutchman or an Estonian.The US is not really a single nation culturally anyway. I have a lot more in common with some Estonians I know than , say, some Texans I also work with.
Or perhaps your Estonian friends have some serious military hardware hidden in their garages
Tell me, do you see America as an enemy or an ally, if the former what's changed in 75 odd years?
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