EU army

[dai1983]

98elise said:

Is there anyone that would actually sign up and join an EU armed force?

I did nearly a decade in the armed forces from school. I would not have signed up if it was an EU armed force.

I'm still serving and would have no dramas as for me its just a job that I do. I'd probably relish the chance to meet different nationalities, get posted to new places and play with different kit.

Saying that I'm apparently a leftie snowflake because I don't support Tommy Robinson.

[bitchstewie]

Genuine question as I don't know how the forces work - can you just be "seconded" so you're under French or German (or whatever) command for a period of time?

[dai1983]

bhstewie said:

Genuine question as I don't know how the forces work - can you just be "seconded" so you're under French or German (or whatever) command for a period of time?

IIRC there's certain postings where you can go on an exchange but depends on your job/rank.

[kurt535]

Yes, you can end up either as an individual/ship/battalion/battle group/ whatever subordinated to another country's tactical command. NATO do it a fair amount so the various countries get a feel and understanding how the other team works. On an individual level, we've had pilots/deck handlers working with USN to get carrier ready for a number of years. Has to be the juiciest posting. A Lt. Col of Royal Anglians came over from Oz - am unsure if that was an exchange visit but he stayed and was very popular by all accounts.

[don'tbesilly]

kurt535 said:

don'tbesilly said:

kurt535 said:

don'tbesilly said:

kurt535 said:

don'tbesilly said:

toppstuff said:

don'tbesilly said:

Unbelievable!

Apropos of nothing, I do not regard an American as a greater friend than a Dutchman or an Estonian.

The US is not really a single nation culturally anyway. I have a lot more in common with some Estonians I know than , say, some Texans I also work with.

I can't see Estonia being much of an ally in any armed conflict can you?
Or perhaps your Estonian friends have some serious military hardware hidden in their garages

Tell me, do you see America as an enemy or an ally, if the former what's changed in 75 odd years?

IRRC 8/9 gave their all in Afghan. They have bigger steels than you will ever have. Good soldiers prepared to stand up and be counted.

I was talking about the ordinary Estonian, or does TS know all the armed personnel in the Estonian armed forces, which given his anecdotes he probably does.

Still you and TS do have some crackers as anecdotes!

'Big Pharma company in Surrey'

you are an armchair warrior on so many fronts. you've been nowhere. done nothing. seen nothing. empty vessels make most sound.

You know nothing about me, but come up with the above and call me an armchair warrior

It's amazing what I know about you, your fantastical life is spread across multiple sub forums on PH, and can at best be described as 'Walt' like.

You sad sack stalking me!!! christ i must have got right under your skin

What you think I stalk you?

You're fantasist posts are all over PH, you don't need to go looking for them, I've been on here for many years, you think I just read/contribute to N/P&E?

Now about the 'big pharma company in Surrey', you ever going to name them?

[dai1983]

kurt535 said:

Yes, you can end up either as an individual/ship/battalion/battle group/ whatever subordinated to another country's tactical command. NATO do it a fair amount so the various countries get a feel and understanding how the other team works. On an individual level, we've had pilots/deck handlers working with USN to get carrier ready for a number of years. Has to be the juiciest posting. A Lt. Col of Royal Anglians came over from Oz - am unsure if that was an exchange visit but he stayed and was very popular by all accounts.

I think we were under the command of the Canadians for a few Operations on Herrick. It was a while ago and I had more on my mind than the ins and outs of who the senior command were.

[kurt535]

dai1983 said:

kurt535 said:

Yes, you can end up either as an individual/ship/battalion/battle group/ whatever subordinated to another country's tactical command. NATO do it a fair amount so the various countries get a feel and understanding how the other team works. On an individual level, we've had pilots/deck handlers working with USN to get carrier ready for a number of years. Has to be the juiciest posting. A Lt. Col of Royal Anglians came over from Oz - am unsure if that was an exchange visit but he stayed and was very popular by all accounts.

I think we were under the command of the Canadians for a few Operations on Herrick. It was a while ago and I had more on my mind than the ins and outs of who the senior command were.

Fair play and full respect to you Dai. I am surprised though you didn't have a chat about it when you were a bit bored though? Mind you, rather have Canadians i/c than the Yanks - rather less likely occurrence of blue on blue.

[bitchstewie]

Thanks both, wasn't sure if you have a choice in these matters or if you're just told you're under the command of whoever for a given tour/exercise (apologies, not clued up on the terminology).

[B'stard Child]

alfie2244 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Not very good at keeping secrets when the EU emblem is emblazoned on their vehicles are they

Were they EU funding plaques?

Don't be silly they were covering up the real country of origin - Germany

[B'stard Child]

kurt535 said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

kurt535 said:

what is it with norfolk people? you are a breed apart....literally.

Ignorant discrimination, you m
ust be proud.


Standard angremainer.......

I will say living up here has been a sad eye opener for me how poorly educated and narrow minded so many of you are. The change from Suffolk has been markedly noticeable. And the saddest bit is how you take delight in letting everyone know what a narrow minded opinionated individual you are!

Did you say that in front of a mirror??

PS Suffolk born but Norfolk living - and I think your issue is you appear to be very narrow minded - and a bit of a racist (If Norfolk people can be considered a race)

[F1GTRUeno]

The US don't defend us, they defend themselves, using us.

We're dragged into their pointless dick swinging contests and we've lost thousands of soldiers doing their bidding.

The current administration also don't give a flying fk about us.

They're also completely in bed with the Russians.

Hence, they're our enemies right now.

Yes, drag out the WW1/WW2 history lessons when they WERE our allies, albeit reluctantly because again they were doing their stey America First schtick but America then and America right now are vastly different.

We should be distancing ourselves from them as much as humanly possible and completely reducing our reliance on them given the stshow that the country is right now and will be for a very long time after Trump has gone and they have to sort out the gigantic mess he's made.

We'd be better off building their stupid wall for them, all around the country and leaving them to it. After all, they are the terrorists of all terrorists.

Meanwhile, if we stopped fighting with our European neighbours and started coexisting with them, we might have some nice peace to ourselves instead of forever being trapped between two giant superpowers. But nah, we decided to fk that relationship by giving them the middle finger and voting for Brexit.

Macron was being realistic when he suggested we needed an EU army right now in this present moment. Trump cannot be trusted and he doesn't trust anyone in Europe either so we might as well treat them as hostile.

[B'stard Child]

F1GTRUeno said:

The US don't defend us, they defend themselves, using us.

We're dragged into their pointless dick swinging contests and we've lost thousands of soldiers doing their bidding.

The current administration also don't give a flying fk about us.

They're also completely in bed with the Russians.

Hence, they're our enemies right now.

Yes, drag out the WW1/WW2 history lessons when they WERE our allies, albeit reluctantly because again they were doing their stey America First schtick but America then and America right now are vastly different.

We should be distancing ourselves from them as much as humanly possible and completely reducing our reliance on them given the stshow that the country is right now and will be for a very long time after Trump has gone and they have to sort out the gigantic mess he's made.

We'd be better off building their stupid wall for them, all around the country and leaving them to it. After all, they are the terrorists of all terrorists.

Meanwhile, if we stopped fighting with our European neighbours and started coexisting with them, we might have some nice peace to ourselves instead of forever being trapped between two giant superpowers. But nah, we decided to fk that relationship by giving them the middle finger and voting for Brexit.

Macron was being realistic when he suggested we needed an EU army right now in this present moment. Trump cannot be trusted and he doesn't trust anyone in Europe either so we might as well treat them as hostile.

explains a lot - thanks for the insight

[Countdown]

CrutyRammers said:

Countdown said:

otis criblecoblis said:

Europe and the UK is defended massively by the American military umbrella . Absurd to say otherwise, although it seems plenty will.

Absurd to think they're not doing it solely for the benefit of the US.

In short they can either fight Russia in Europe or they can fight them on their own borders. We serve the same purpose for the US that Cuba did for the USSR.

Which is still a long way from being an "enemy", no?

I don’t disagree, and I don’t think their “America First” attitude is (or should be) unique. It’s just the “Special Relationship” nonsense view that some hold that’s a bit nauseating.

[John145]

F1GTRUeno said:

The US don't defend us, they defend themselves, using us.

We're dragged into their pointless dick swinging contests and we've lost thousands of soldiers doing their bidding.

The current administration also don't give a flying fk about us.

They're also completely in bed with the Russians.

Hence, they're our enemies right now.

Yes, drag out the WW1/WW2 history lessons when they WERE our allies, albeit reluctantly because again they were doing their stey America First schtick but America then and America right now are vastly different.

We should be distancing ourselves from them as much as humanly possible and completely reducing our reliance on them given the stshow that the country is right now and will be for a very long time after Trump has gone and they have to sort out the gigantic mess he's made.

We'd be better off building their stupid wall for them, all around the country and leaving them to it. After all, they are the terrorists of all terrorists.

Meanwhile, if we stopped fighting with our European neighbours and started coexisting with them, we might have some nice peace to ourselves instead of forever being trapped between two giant superpowers. But nah, we decided to fk that relationship by giving them the middle finger and voting for Brexit.

Macron was being realistic when he suggested we needed an EU army right now in this present moment. Trump cannot be trusted and he doesn't trust anyone in Europe either so we might as well treat them as hostile.

So because you don’t like Trump you’re perfectly happy to ignore the past 105 years.

When history is forgotten it will be repeated...

[anonymous-user]

B'stard Child said:

F1GTRUeno said:

The US don't defend us, they defend themselves, using us.

We're dragged into their pointless dick swinging contests and we've lost thousands of soldiers doing their bidding.

The current administration also don't give a flying fk about us.

They're also completely in bed with the Russians.

Hence, they're our enemies right now.

Yes, drag out the WW1/WW2 history lessons when they WERE our allies, albeit reluctantly because again they were doing their stey America First schtick but America then and America right now are vastly different.

We should be distancing ourselves from them as much as humanly possible and completely reducing our reliance on them given the stshow that the country is right now and will be for a very long time after Trump has gone and they have to sort out the gigantic mess he's made.

We'd be better off building their stupid wall for them, all around the country and leaving them to it. After all, they are the terrorists of all terrorists.

Meanwhile, if we stopped fighting with our European neighbours and started coexisting with them, we might have some nice peace to ourselves instead of forever being trapped between two giant superpowers. But nah, we decided to fk that relationship by giving them the middle finger and voting for Brexit.

Macron was being realistic when he suggested we needed an EU army right now in this present moment. Trump cannot be trusted and he doesn't trust anyone in Europe either so we might as well treat them as hostile.

explains a lot - thanks for the insight

Indeed; insight into the mind of someone throwing a hissy fit about Trump. The man might be a tool but to claim any of this rubbish makes the US our enemy is truely pathetic.

[thetrickcyclist]

fblm said:

B'stard Child said:

F1GTRUeno said:

The US don't defend us, they defend themselves, using us.

We're dragged into their pointless dick swinging contests and we've lost thousands of soldiers doing their bidding.

The current administration also don't give a flying fk about us.

They're also completely in bed with the Russians.

Hence, they're our enemies right now.

Yes, drag out the WW1/WW2 history lessons when they WERE our allies, albeit reluctantly because again they were doing their stey America First schtick but America then and America right now are vastly different.

We should be distancing ourselves from them as much as humanly possible and completely reducing our reliance on them given the stshow that the country is right now and will be for a very long time after Trump has gone and they have to sort out the gigantic mess he's made.

We'd be better off building their stupid wall for them, all around the country and leaving them to it. After all, they are the terrorists of all terrorists.

Meanwhile, if we stopped fighting with our European neighbours and started coexisting with them, we might have some nice peace to ourselves instead of forever being trapped between two giant superpowers. But nah, we decided to fk that relationship by giving them the middle finger and voting for Brexit.

Macron was being realistic when he suggested we needed an EU army right now in this present moment. Trump cannot be trusted and he doesn't trust anyone in Europe either so we might as well treat them as hostile.

explains a lot - thanks for the insight

Indeed; insight into the mind of someone throwing a hissy fit about Trump. The man might be a tool but to claim any of this rubbish makes the US our enemy is truely pathetic.

"Macron being realistic". Hmmmm.

Perhaps NPE needs a lets talk about France thread?

I didn't know the riots have spread right across France. [for those that don't know, France is a wee bit larger that the M25 circle and the south of England combined ]

[F1GTRUeno]

John145 said:

So because you don’t like Trump you’re perfectly happy to ignore the past 105 years.

When history is forgotten it will be repeated...

No. The US hasn't been our ally since 1945.

Instead we've been their bh ever since. Hence we've had to join them in their pointless (unless you're a money maker) wars and it's cost us the lives of multiple thousands of our own soldiers but that doesn't make us allies, not really.

They don't care about us, they never really did. They only care about themselves. They're actually worse than Russia or China because they pretend to be your friend when they're not.

Their problem is much, much bigger than Trump will ever be, it's not a hissy fit about Trump, it's a hissy fit about America running the planet and convincing people that they care about you when they'd absolutely 'freedom' the st out of you the moment you stopped using dollars as currency for trading precious commodities.

The whole planet would be better off if America was cut off from us all and turned into something akin to Escape from New York/LA. We all need to be much less reliant on them because they're a cancer on this planet and they leave their st stained mark everywhere.

They're the British Empire of the 20th/21st century.

[B'stard Child]

F1GTRUeno said:

John145 said:

So because you don’t like Trump you’re perfectly happy to ignore the past 105 years.

When history is forgotten it will be repeated...

No. The US hasn't been our ally since 1945.

Instead we've been their bh ever since. Hence we've had to join them in their pointless (unless you're a money maker) wars and it's cost us the lives of multiple thousands of our own soldiers but that doesn't make us allies, not really.

They don't care about us, they never really did. They only care about themselves. They're actually worse than Russia or China because they pretend to be your friend when they're not.

Their problem is much, much bigger than Trump will ever be, it's not a hissy fit about Trump, it's a hissy fit about America running the planet and convincing people that they care about you when they'd absolutely 'freedom' the st out of you the moment you stopped using dollars as currency for trading precious commodities.

The whole planet would be better off if America was cut off from us all and turned into something akin to Escape from New York/LA. We all need to be much less reliant on them because they're a cancer on this planet and they leave their st stained mark everywhere.

They're the British Empire of the 20th/21st century.

Good Post





Rest of you I suggest we all give him a little bit of space cos he might have been smoking a little weed

[irocfan]

F1GTRUeno said:

John145 said:

So because you don’t like Trump you’re perfectly happy to ignore the past 105 years.

When history is forgotten it will be repeated...

No. The US hasn't been our ally since 1945.

Instead we've been their bh ever since. Hence we've had to join them in their pointless (unless you're a money maker) wars and it's cost us the lives of multiple thousands of our own soldiers but that doesn't make us allies, not really.

They don't care about us, they never really did. They only care about themselves. They're actually worse than Russia or China because they pretend to be your friend when they're not.

Their problem is much, much bigger than Trump will ever be, it's not a hissy fit about Trump, it's a hissy fit about America running the planet and convincing people that they care about you when they'd absolutely 'freedom' the st out of you the moment you stopped using dollars as currency for trading precious commodities.

The whole planet would be better off if America was cut off from us all and turned into something akin to Escape from New York/LA. We all need to be much less reliant on them because they're a cancer on this planet and they leave their st stained mark everywhere.

They're the British Empire of the 20th/21st century.

Oookkkkkkkaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy - <steps away from the crazy person>

[Rovinghawk]

F1GTRUeno said:

They don't care about us, they never really did. They only care about themselves. They're actually worse than Russia or China because they pretend to be your friend when they're not.

That's the EU, surely?