Our newest ambassador in the US,,

[oyster]

Murph7355 said:

valiant said:

So now a foreign leader can dictate whom we send to represent our country and interests?

Absolutely scandalous.

Unfortunately Boris wouldn’t commit to letting the current Ambassador stay until he retires in January which in itself is appalling.

British politicians now being dictated to by a foreign country. Sovereignty’s a bh, ain’t it?

Why is it "appalling"?

WTF is an ambassador doing writing stuff like that down in the first place. And then letting it get leaked.

Doesn't strike me as especially...diplomatic. Seems pretty stupid.

Whether he retires in 6mths or not is of no consequence. He's made his job all but impossible to do with any efficacy it seems.

There is plenty of outrage about Trump, faux or otherwise...but I think there needs to be much more respecting of the position rather than the man.

You want our ambassadors to be sycophants?

[oyster]

Ratski83 said:

He has zero knowledge of the current situation just his own wild guess at who leaked the emails and why based on his own warped opinions and supposed previous experience a couple of decades ago.

There is nothing new or independent thinking in what the ambassador wrote in the emails. The same criticism of President Trump is heard on C4 News and CNN every night of the week.

You just seem to be shooting the messenger because you disagree with the message.

I love how you think a former foreign office civil servant (which I presume NNH was) has zero knowledge of how these things work. (though accept his/her points about Boris were conjecture)



Seems to be 'cool' these days to display moral superiority from an armchair whilst denigrating those who spend their entire lives/careers building expertise at something, simply because you disagree with them.

[oyster]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Ratski83 said:

He has zero knowledge of the current situation just his own wild guess at who leaked the emails and why based on his own warped opinions and supposed previous experience a couple of decades ago.

There is nothing new or independent thinking in what the ambassador wrote in the emails. The same criticism of President Trump is heard on C4 News and CNN every night of the week.

What we see in your posts is a neat summation of why this country is in the mess it's currently in - every Tom Dick and Harry has been allowed to delude themselves that their own ill-informed, intellectual arse-wash is of equal validity to the views and opinions of people who have taken the trouble to know what they're talking about. If you actually took the trouble to read the other guys post and ask him some questions about his experience, you might actually learn something....

I've emboldened above because I think it's worse than equal validity. Day after day on PH (and in general life) I see and hear people claiming not equal but superior knowledge and expertise about scenarios and situations over those that spent their whole lives, education and careers training for.

[anonymous-user]

oyster said:

Ratski83 said:

He has zero knowledge of the current situation just his own wild guess at who leaked the emails and why based on his own warped opinions and supposed previous experience a couple of decades ago.

There is nothing new or independent thinking in what the ambassador wrote in the emails. The same criticism of President Trump is heard on C4 News and CNN every night of the week.

You just seem to be shooting the messenger because you disagree with the message.

I love how you think a former foreign office civil servant (which I presume NNH was) has zero knowledge of how these things work. (though accept his/her points about Boris were conjecture)



Seems to be 'cool' these days to display moral superiority from an armchair whilst denigrating those who spend their entire lives/careers building expertise at something, simply because you disagree with them.

Quite. Dunning-Kruger would be proud

[AlvinSultana]

Murph7355 said:

Why is it "appalling"?

WTF is an ambassador doing writing stuff like that down in the first place. And then letting it get leaked.

Doesn't strike me as especially...diplomatic. Seems pretty stupid.

Whether he retires in 6mths or not is of no consequence. He's made his job all but impossible to do with any efficacy it seems.

There is plenty of outrage about Trump, faux or otherwise...but I think there needs to be much more respecting of the position rather than the man.

It was private correspondence which he expected to remain private. Think the IT dept need to take a look at their procedures.

Now can you imagine what the US ambassador would report back to his superiors about Brexit were he asked to produce a warts and all set of cliff notes that he expected to remain private ?

I would imagine that "inept" and "chaotic" would not even begin to cover the adjectives required to explain the current state of the UK political landscape. For us to then be taking um-bridge would be truly pathetic.

Problem is the man child will rant about this to his grave........

[Europa1]

AlvinSultana said:

Problem is the man child will rant about this to his grave........

Oh, I don't know - a lot of the time his memory seems remarkably sketchy about things he's said in the past, or people he's had dealings with.

[anonymous-user]

He has just resigned.
That is Kim Darroch has resigned not Donal Trump
My sources are everywhere

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sir-kim-d...

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 10th July 12:04

[DMN]

Massively damaging to the UK, which is exactly what the leak was designed to do. What a bunch of amateurs we look now.

Who ever the leak is needs charging with Treason.

[Countdown]

techiedave said:

He has just resigned.

I don't think there was any practical alternative. As others have already pointed out he's not said anything which would have been a surprise to anybody or which hasn't already been said by those at the highest level within Trump's own government. Boris himself made similar suggestions as far back as 2015. But it would have been hard to negotiate with the Twunt-in-Chief when everybody knows what his views about the Twunt-in-Chief really are.

[Unbusy]

Politics Live, Alan Duncan being asked about the resignation came out with a very diplomatic (swidt?) comment on Boris, calling him ‘tawdry’. Very restrained of him!

[ATG]

The least bad outcome, but it is still appalling that he had to fall on his own sword. Whistle-blowers should be supported, but whoever leaked this stuff should be crucified.

[amgmcqueen]

techiedave said:

He has just resigned.
That is Kim Darroch has resigned not Donal Trump
My sources are everywhere

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sir-kim-d...

Edited by techiedave on Wednesday 10th July 12:04

Good riddance!

[valiant]

An honourable civil servant puts country before himself by stepping down before Boris pushes him out thus saving the future prime minister any embarrassment.

It may have been inevitable at this point but it certainly leaves a nasty taste in the mouth and those that clamour for ‘sovereignty’ must now be glad that we have ceded some of it to Washington. All a future prez has to say is we don’t like him/her and they’re changed to someone more amenable.

I guess all the uk ambassadors around the world will be more guarded and less forthcoming in their assessments which can only impede future negotiations.

A sorry state of affairs which will no doubt bite us in the arse down the line.

[rxe]

Countdown said:

I don't think there was any practical alternative. As others have already pointed out he's not said anything which would have been a surprise to anybody or which hasn't already been said by those at the highest level within Trump's own government. Boris himself made similar suggestions as far back as 2015. But it would have been hard to negotiate with the Twunt-in-Chief when everybody knows what his views about the Twunt-in-Chief really are.

But as I said upthread, why the inappropriate language?

"Trump is inept" - this is the analysis of a teenager

"Trump has failed to control factors x, y, x when one would normally expect these to be controlled" - this is a measured, factual position that can be proven or disproven.

[Blue62]

Vanden Saab said:

Assuming that the leak came from the civil service, I cannot see where else it could have come from as I doubt this memo would be freely available to politicians, I am really impressed that boris has such a good relationship with some of them that they seem to be willing to put their jobs on the line for him...

Again, you're making an assumption and drawing conclusions from there. There is a good chance that the email account has been hacked, which opens up possibilities beyond our own civil service. I think the details (or some thereof) of Hilary's emails were hacked by an outside agency leading up to the election and it proved to be pivotal in the polls at the time.

[Europa1]

amgmcqueen said:

Good riddance!

Out of interest, why do you say that?

[bitchstewie]

Listen to the comments from Alan Duncan on Johnson and this episode.

Bang on.

[ATG]

rxe said:

But as I said upthread, why the inappropriate language?

"Trump is inept" - this is the analysis of a teenager

"Trump has failed to control factors x, y, x when one would normally expect these to be controlled" - this is a measured, factual position that can be proven or disproven.

Why waffle? The man is inept so you say "he's inept.'

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

rxe said:

But as I said upthread, why the inappropriate language?

"Trump is inept" - this is the analysis of a teenager

"Trump has failed to control factors x, y, x when one would normally expect these to be controlled" - this is a measured, factual position that can be proven or disproven.

There must have been more to it than just saying 'I think the administration is inept'...well, you would certainly hope?

[biggbn]

Murph7355 said:

valiant said:

So now a foreign leader can dictate whom we send to represent our country and interests?

Absolutely scandalous.

Unfortunately Boris wouldn’t commit to letting the current Ambassador stay until he retires in January which in itself is appalling.

British politicians now being dictated to by a foreign country. Sovereignty’s a bh, ain’t it?

Why is it "appalling"?

WTF is an ambassador doing writing stuff like that down in the first place. And then letting it get leaked.

Doesn't strike me as especially...diplomatic. Seems pretty stupid.

Whether he retires in 6mths or not is of no consequence. He's made his job all but impossible to do with any efficacy it seems.

There is plenty of outrage about Trump, faux or otherwise...but I think there needs to be much more respecting of the position rather than the man.

Perhaps the Donald should be more respectful of the position if he wants the respect the position deserves? Our diplomat has only done a much lesser version of what the Donald does daily after all?

Boris, when mayor of London, laid into Trump calling him stupefyingly ignorant and unfit to be president...presumeably he should never have made those comments?