Fidel Castro is dead

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JagLover

42,505 posts

236 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Cue the eulogising of an unelected dictator by the usual suspects. Bonus points if they can work in a reference to the people of Cuba being better off "unspoiled" by capitalism.


Janluke

2,595 posts

159 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Eric Mc said:
Just listened.

Apparently Ken doesn't mind dictators - as long as they are the right shade politically.

No surprises there then.

Well down Mishal Husain for putting him on the spot and make him sound the spluttering fool he is.
She did very well I thought

JagLover

42,505 posts

236 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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anonymous said:
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Maybe so

But was the 55 year dictatorship that followed inevitable and necessary as well?


steveT350C

6,728 posts

162 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Corbyn has called for three days of mourning

HarryW

15,157 posts

270 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Eric Mc said:
Just listened.

Apparently Ken doesn't mind dictators - as long as they are the right shade politically.

No surprises there then.

Well down Mishal Husain for putting him on the spot and make him sound the spluttering fool he is.
+1

She played him well........, a fool and unwise words were easily extracted, had visions of his masters chocking on their breakfast listening to the car crash unfolding.

Guybrush

4,358 posts

207 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Who will be in power now? Will the people have a say?

JagLover

42,505 posts

236 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Smiler. said:
Red Ken on R4 now fawning over Castro.

The irony of replacing one dictator with another is totally lost on the likes of the bent newt fancier & his ilk - as is usually the case.

Fair play to Mishal Husain showing him up to be two-faced red lefty tt that he is.
There really isn't that many different forms of government.

In its two main forms on the one hand we have the Aristocratic forms of government and on the other hand democracy.

The longer that Communist regimes stay in power the more closely they resemble the former. Instead of their ancestors being ennobled by some ancient warlord for services rendered, they were on the "long march" with Mao or played some other leading role in the revolution. Any semblance of a different economic or social order fades away over time and all you have left is rule by the aristocratic elite.

People from outside that elite can join the ranks of the nobility of course and that helps the system renew itself. But that was also the case in the old days where the very rich could buy their way in or soldiers could distinguish themselves sufficiently to at least join the minor nobility.

The only amusing aspect of the whole thing is when the left seems to believe this is a shining example of rule by the people.


Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Guybrush said:
Who will be in power now? Will the people have a say?
His brother Raoul has been president since 2008.

grumbledoak

31,558 posts

234 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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About fifty years overdue, really. I wonder if Cuba's misery can finally end now.

Bye Fidel. wavey

DaveCWK

2,005 posts

175 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Any bets on how many BBC employees will be sent to cover the funeral? It was 140 iirc for Mandela. I'll start with a nice round 100.

KingNothing

3,169 posts

154 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Had an email from Unite yesterday offering a free jolly to under 30's to Cuba to see the struggles of the Cuban people first hand rolleyes that's why I pay my union subs each month furious

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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JagLover said:
anonymous said:
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Maybe so

But was the 55 year dictatorship that followed inevitable and necessary as well?
Putting petty politics aside, it depends on what you value.

Eric Mc

122,106 posts

266 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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By and large, he was popular with most of the people in Cuba - which is more than how we tend to view our leaders.

Smollet

10,663 posts

191 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Vocal Minority said:
Guybrush said:
Who will be in power now? Will the people have a say?
His brother Raoul has been president since 2008.
He's standing down in 2018

Derek Smith

45,775 posts

249 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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What kept Castro in power for so long was the USA's response. Decades of embargoes was unlikely to change the population's views enough to overthrow him. Not that that was what the USA wanted. The support for the various military dictators that went before, invasions, the attempts to kill him, all showed the dark side of democracy.

Like him or loathe him, he was a political giant of his time. I think history will be kind to him, especially in comparison to what went before.

I've not been to Cuba but a couple of mates went for a stag do for a second marriage, this around 10-15 years ago. They loved the place although they had to emphasise they were Irish and not Americans.

His brother will, he said, stand down in a year or so, presumably to allow elections.


Smollet

10,663 posts

191 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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DaveCWK said:
Any bets on how many BBC employees will be sent to cover the funeral? It was 140 iirc for Mandela. I'll start with a nice round 100.
They'd better get a move on. He's being cremated later today I gather.

Pesty

42,655 posts

257 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Flat6er said:
Can't wait for Trump's first comment about it.
Something Racist and tasteless no doubt.
Or something perfectly reasonable that the media will take out of context, repeat something he didn't say so people will learn it by rote and repeat forever as fact.

If I repeat if, people are celebrating his death, his I repeat his people are cerebrating his death, then perhaps even if trump did say something 'tasteless' they'd probably agree with him.

dxg

8,241 posts

261 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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HarryW said:
Eric Mc said:
Just listened.

Apparently Ken doesn't mind dictators - as long as they are the right shade politically.

No surprises there then.

Well down Mishal Husain for putting him on the spot and make him sound the spluttering fool he is.
+1

She played him well........, a fool and unwise words were easily extracted, had visions of his masters chocking on their breakfast listening to the car crash unfolding.
Yup, for once I was quite impressed by the BBC with that interview. First time in a very long time.

EarlOfHazard

3,604 posts

159 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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The second most famous Cuban, after Tony Montana.

Pesty

42,655 posts

257 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Operation pico

This is interesting never heard of this before Cuba nearly went to war with D.R

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xor-7O8cHQ&time...