ITV This Morning "Ban the burka?" poll

[Alpinestars]

anonymous said:

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Extreme by some standards, reasonable by others. How do you define not integrating? How do you ensure you don't catch people who are socially inept introverts?

Edited by Alpinestars on Friday 9th December 18:33

[CaptainSlow]

chrispmartha said:

Even if they are born and bred in Britain?

What do you mean by "bred"?

[WinstonWolf]

del mar said:

Alpinestars said:

Not great logic again. Do all women who don't wear Burkas want to go on holiday with you?

@winston, Courtney for me please.

What ?

It was in response to ttwigy's question as to whether I could have the same relationship with a veiled woman as an unveiled one.

i could not have the Same relationship with her if she dressed in a black sheet.

Oh I don't know, on some levels a crotchless burka *could* work. It's just the foreplay that would be a bit of a bugger...

[Murph7355]

anonymous said:

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To give them the freedom to choose which of the old ways they wish to preserve, and which to jettison.

If there are none of the old ways they wish to jettison, and there's continual crying out for this country to adopt the old country's laws and customs en masse then I would fully agree that is an integration issue. But I don't think that's what's happening (in the vast majority of cases) and banning the burka wouldn't prevent it anyway.

[Alpinestars]

del mar said:

What ?

It was in response to ttwigy's question as to whether I could have the same relationship with a veiled woman as an unveiled one.

i could not have the Same relationship with her if she dressed in a black sheet.

I think you mean pardon. That's our polite British way of saying it.

[Dindoit]

anonymous said:

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I do that too. Doesn't everyone choose to mix with their own kind? Mixing with people you don't like seems a weird thing to do.

[irocfan]

del mar said:

Perhaps we shouldn't ban it after all..

http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/world-news/20884-irani...

Does that mean that the river has had involuntary fluid loses??

[del mar]

Countdown said:

del mar said:

That is hardly a fair comparison.

How do you find you interact with right wing Nazi white supremacists ?

In words of one syllable usually. It seems to be very effective.

If you're equating the Burka with nazis are you suggesting that Right Wing White Supremacist Nazis should be banned as well?

Probably not because RWWS Nazis are entitled to free speech etc etc whereas people who wear the burka shouldn't be entitled to freedom of choice.....

Of course I'm not, but you have had more experience of muslim women than most here. Not that I have much experience of right wing nazis mind !

[Jasandjules]

Dindoit said:

I do that too. Doesn't everyone choose to mix with their own kind? Mixing with people you don't like seems a weird thing to do.

When in public?

[del mar]

Alpinestars said:

Digga said:

I agree with this, but part of their coming around to the realisation this is not a good idea must be the freedom of business owners etc. to refuse service on those grounds, without fear of hysterical over-reaction - to be able to have the same debate and argument they may well also have with, say, motorcyclists or hoodies.

So simplistic. What about me refusing to provide you tax services because I don't like you/what you wear/what you drive etc?

And again, what are the consequences and what's your bone? If it's integration, do you think the burka wearers will all of a sudden be drinking with you on a Friday night once the ban comes into force, or do you think they'll be at home instead, therefore not integrating. Would that make you feel better?

You can refuse to provide me with tax services for whatever reason you like, that is your choice.

Consequences for you - none

I would just go and find another tax accountant - minor inconvenience, But not the end of the world.

Cleary these women are not going to go to the pub, but I would stand a much better chance of being able to strike up some form of friendship or even conversation with them if I could see them.

[SKP555]

TTwiggy said:

SKP555 said:

everything free and open societies like our own stand for.

Like getting pissed and topless pictures in newspapers?

Is that what you believe western civilisation stands for?

[TTwiggy]

SKP555 said:

Is that what you believe western civilisation stands for?

Well, there's also tolerance and freedom. And not banning items of clothing because of knee jerk reactions to bogeymen (or women).

[eccles]

TTwiggy said:

SKP555 said:

Is that what you believe western civilisation stands for?

Well, there's also tolerance and freedom. And not banning items of clothing because of knee jerk reactions to bogeymen (or women).

Didn't they ban hoodies from several shopping centres for a while.....

[SKP555]

TTwiggy said:

SKP555 said:

Is that what you believe western civilisation stands for?

Well, there's also tolerance and freedom. And not banning items of clothing because of knee jerk reactions to bogeymen (or women).

I think for some people, many according to this poll, the veil has become a symbol of intolerance and systematic oppression. One that even many majority Muslim countriesrestrict.

Would you support the right of someone to wear swastikas?

[Alpinestars]

del mar said:

You can refuse to provide me with tax services for whatever reason you like, that is your choice.

Consequences for you - none

I would just go and find another tax accountant - minor inconvenience, But not the end of the world.

Cleary these women are not going to go to the pub, but I would stand a much better chance of being able to strike up some form of friendship or even conversation with them if I could see them.

I suspect there are many women without burkas who wouldn't want a friendship with you or me. You seem desperate to make friends with women?

If I refused to serve you and it's a minor inconvenience for you, and loss of some business for me, I suspect some entrepreneurial people would set up shops just for people like "you". That would be a huge step towards even more integration. Good plan. Or is there a flaw in my logic?

[TTwiggy]

SKP555 said:

I think for some people, many according to this poll, the veil has become a symbol of intolerance and systematic oppression. One that even many majority Muslim countriesrestrict.

Would you support the right of someone to wear swastikas?

Daft question. And regardless of that people are free to wear swastikas in this country. Other countries feel differently about it.

[Halb]

SKP555 said:

Would you support the right of someone to wear swastikas?

Do you think we should ban some symbols/signs?

[SKP555]

TTwiggy said:

Daft question. And regardless of that people are free to wear swastikas in this country. Other countries feel differently about it.

Why is it daft?

I think most people accept that there are some things that even a tolerant society doesn't tolerate.

Is it any and every symbol that you would tolerate or just certain ones?

What about walking around stark naked? Klan outfit? T shirt blaspheming Mohammed?

[Countdown]

SKP555 said:

I think for some people, many according to this poll, the veil has become a symbol of intolerance and systematic oppression. One that even many majority Muslim countries restrict.

Quite a few muslim countries like to dictate what women can and can't wear. That's one of the things that differentiates them from modern, liberal, democracies. We genuinely shouldn't be looking at them for pointers on how to run a decent society.

[anonymous-user]

Those poor women in places like Tower Hamlets, Burnley, Blackburn, Rotherham will have callouses what with all that click refresh click again actions.