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rscott said:
BlackLabel said:
And yet not a single prosecution.
"NHS attended to 9,000 FGM cases in England last year, report reveals"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/05/nh...
"The NHS in England recorded 5,391 new cases of female genital mutilation (FGM) in the past year, data reveals.
Almost half involved women and girls living in London, NHS Digital found."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40491311
Most of which, according to that article,didn't happen in the UK, so couldn't be prosecuted anyway."NHS attended to 9,000 FGM cases in England last year, report reveals"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/05/nh...
"The NHS in England recorded 5,391 new cases of female genital mutilation (FGM) in the past year, data reveals.
Almost half involved women and girls living in London, NHS Digital found."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40491311
What at you going to prosecute them for ?
Being religious ?
Deliberate harming of a child , there is rarely any intent to cause harm / pain.
Being culturally different ?
it maybe be misguided, but it is done out of love.
What punishment actually works ? Jail the parents and you remove a child from a loving home, to spend years in the care system ?
We have to accept if we allow these people to come and live in the UK they will bring their little quirks with them.
Being religious ?
Deliberate harming of a child , there is rarely any intent to cause harm / pain.
Being culturally different ?
it maybe be misguided, but it is done out of love.
What punishment actually works ? Jail the parents and you remove a child from a loving home, to spend years in the care system ?
We have to accept if we allow these people to come and live in the UK they will bring their little quirks with them.
del mar said:
What at you going to prosecute them for ?
Being religious ?
Deliberate harming of a child , there is rarely any intent to cause harm / pain.
Being culturally different ?
it maybe be misguided, but it is done out of love.
What punishment actually works ? Jail the parents and you remove a child from a loving home, to spend years in the care system ?
We have to accept if we allow these people to come and live in the UK they will bring their little quirks with them.
What a load of balls.Being religious ?
Deliberate harming of a child , there is rarely any intent to cause harm / pain.
Being culturally different ?
it maybe be misguided, but it is done out of love.
What punishment actually works ? Jail the parents and you remove a child from a loving home, to spend years in the care system ?
We have to accept if we allow these people to come and live in the UK they will bring their little quirks with them.
You're quite a sick individual if you're suggesting that "parental love" somehow trumps abuse.
It's GBH - parents need prosecuting.
Countdown said:
del mar said:
What at you going to prosecute them for ?
Being religious ?
Deliberate harming of a child , there is rarely any intent to cause harm / pain.
Being culturally different ?
it maybe be misguided, but it is done out of love.
What punishment actually works ? Jail the parents and you remove a child from a loving home, to spend years in the care system ?
We have to accept if we allow these people to come and live in the UK they will bring their little quirks with them.
What a load of balls.Being religious ?
Deliberate harming of a child , there is rarely any intent to cause harm / pain.
Being culturally different ?
it maybe be misguided, but it is done out of love.
What punishment actually works ? Jail the parents and you remove a child from a loving home, to spend years in the care system ?
We have to accept if we allow these people to come and live in the UK they will bring their little quirks with them.
You're quite a sick individual if you're suggesting that "parental love" somehow trumps abuse.
It's GBH - parents need prosecuting.
Countdown said:
What a load of balls.
You're quite a sick individual if you're suggesting that "parental love" somehow trumps abuse.
It's GBH - parents need prosecuting.
Why do the parents do it then ? They are not monsters .You're quite a sick individual if you're suggesting that "parental love" somehow trumps abuse.
It's GBH - parents need prosecuting.
They don't wake up on Monday and think I will make a few small cuts on my children. These are not like the killers of baby p who have spent months abusing them.
This will be a celebration, a passage of rights, something that they and every female they know will have been through. It takes what 5 mins. The odds are nothing like this wil ever happen again, there is no further risk to the child from the parents.
So you take the child away from the parents and stick them in the care system- in the vast majority of cases that is their life ******, what does that achieve ?
Whilst the argument over cutting girls vs boys has been done to death.
How do you think your life would have turned out if your parents were locked up for carrying out their cultural / religious quirk on yourself ? They loved you before and they loved you afterwards, the odds are you were never at an increased risk of harm over say myself. Yet they had cut something from you that I assume was due to religious not medical grounds.
Your parents must be monsters - arrest them !!
Or were they carrying out something that they felt was culturally / religiously important to them and ultimately yourself ?
I appreciate the long terms effects are different, but if minor fgm was proposed on the nhs in a sterile legal environment would that change your view ?
This will take years of education and a drive to stop importing similar problems, arresting a few loving parents won't change anything.
del mar said:
Why do the parents do it then ? They are not monsters .
They don't wake up on Monday and think I will make a few small cuts on my children. These are not like the killers of baby p who have spent months abusing them.
This will be a celebration, a passage of rights, something that they and every female they know will have been through. It takes what 5 mins. The odds are nothing like this wil ever happen again, there is no further risk to the child from the parents.
So you take the child away from the parents and stick them in the care system- in the vast majority of cases that is their life ******, what does that achieve ?
Whilst the argument over cutting girls vs boys has been done to death.
How do you think your life would have turned out if your parents were locked up for carrying out their cultural / religious quirk on yourself ? They loved you before and they loved you afterwards, the odds are you were never at an increased risk of harm over say myself. Yet they had cut something from you that I assume was due to religious not medical grounds.
Your parents must be monsters - arrest them !!
Or were they carrying out something that they felt was culturally / religiously important to them and ultimately yourself ?
I appreciate the long terms effects are different, but if minor fgm was proposed on the nhs in a sterile legal environment would that change your view ?
This will take years of education and a drive to stop importing similar problems, arresting a few loving parents won't change anything.
Are you on drugs? Cultural religious "quirk"? What about the rights of a child not to have their body messed with in the first place. They don't wake up on Monday and think I will make a few small cuts on my children. These are not like the killers of baby p who have spent months abusing them.
This will be a celebration, a passage of rights, something that they and every female they know will have been through. It takes what 5 mins. The odds are nothing like this wil ever happen again, there is no further risk to the child from the parents.
So you take the child away from the parents and stick them in the care system- in the vast majority of cases that is their life ******, what does that achieve ?
Whilst the argument over cutting girls vs boys has been done to death.
How do you think your life would have turned out if your parents were locked up for carrying out their cultural / religious quirk on yourself ? They loved you before and they loved you afterwards, the odds are you were never at an increased risk of harm over say myself. Yet they had cut something from you that I assume was due to religious not medical grounds.
Your parents must be monsters - arrest them !!
Or were they carrying out something that they felt was culturally / religiously important to them and ultimately yourself ?
I appreciate the long terms effects are different, but if minor fgm was proposed on the nhs in a sterile legal environment would that change your view ?
This will take years of education and a drive to stop importing similar problems, arresting a few loving parents won't change anything.
del mar said:
Why do the parents do it then ? They are not monsters .
They don't wake up on Monday and think I will make a few small cuts on my children. These are not like the killers of baby p who have spent months abusing them.
This will be a celebration, a passage of rights, something that they and every female they know will have been through. It takes what 5 mins. The odds are nothing like this wil ever happen again, there is no further risk to the child from the parents.
But other children, including younger sisters, are at risk. How are you ever going to stop it, unless you start putting the culprits in jail. When you've spent a year prosecuting a few hundred people, and jailing them, it'll stop. It'll be short term pain for long term gain. I hope.They don't wake up on Monday and think I will make a few small cuts on my children. These are not like the killers of baby p who have spent months abusing them.
This will be a celebration, a passage of rights, something that they and every female they know will have been through. It takes what 5 mins. The odds are nothing like this wil ever happen again, there is no further risk to the child from the parents.
Some high profile prosecutions and stiff jail sentences might get the message across,that this is not acceptable in the UK, and go some way to stopping it. But it needs to go hand in hand with education directed at the cultures likely to do this horror, despite, no doubt, the cries of rascism from some.
kowalski655 said:
Some high profile prosecutions and stiff jail sentences might get the message across,that this is not acceptable in the UK, and go some way to stopping it. But it needs to go hand in hand with education directed at the cultures likely to do this horror, despite, no doubt, the cries of rascism from some.
I don't think any rational person would cry racist at this (sorry to disappoint some of the NP & E regulars..) . But you're right - it does need a dual approach of education and punishment of recent cases. It also needs more detailed reporting, specifically as to how many cases happened here as opposed to having been carried out years ago before the families came to Europe.
del mar said:
This will be a celebration, a passage of rights, something that they and every female they know will have been through. It takes what 5 mins. The odds are nothing like this wil ever happen again, there is no further risk to the child from the parents.
But the affects can last a lifetime, how about just skip the 5 mins and let the child decide when they are old enough. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/female-genital-mutila...
Effects of FGM
There are no health benefits to FGM and it can cause serious harm, including:
•constant pain
•pain and/or difficulty having sex
•repeated infections, which can lead to infertility
•bleeding, cysts and abscesses
•problems passing urine or incontinence
•depression, flashbacks and self-harm
•problems during labour and childbirth, which can be life-threatening for mother and baby
Some girls die from blood loss or infection as a direct result of the procedure.
Edited by Cotty on Thursday 6th July 16:59
Cotty said:
del mar said:
This will be a celebration, a passage of rights, something that they and every female they know will have been through. It takes what 5 mins. The odds are nothing like this wil ever happen again, there is no further risk to the child from the parents.
But the affects can last a lifetime, how about just skip the 5 mins and let the child decide when they are old enough. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/female-genital-mutila...
Effects of FGM
There are no health benefits to FGM and it can cause serious harm, including:
•constant pain
•pain and/or difficulty having sex
•repeated infections, which can lead to infertility
•bleeding, cysts and abscesses
•problems passing urine or incontinence
•depression, flashbacks and self-harm
•problems during labour and childbirth, which can be life-threatening for mother and baby
Some girls die from blood loss or infection as a direct result of the procedure.
Edited by Cotty on Thursday 6th July 16:59
Charlie Hoskins said:
But as the man says, its just a 'quirk' that has to be accepted if we are to reap the overwhelmingly obvious benefits of a multicultural society. This is what their answer to integration into UK society really is.
Which "the man" says that? 
As far as I can see only people like you you and Del Mar are suggesting that this should be accepted. That's a pretty vile attitude to take, in my opinion. Fortunately the majority disagree with you and it's illegal.
But the truth is that you don't care about FGM or women in particular. In fact it benefits people like you, Potato Salad and others because it helps your "Look! Aren't muslims awful" agenda.
At this rate you're going to need a new username soon - lucky for you I think T05 5POT might still be available.
Charlie Hoskins said:
But as the man says, its just a 'quirk' that has to be accepted if we are to reap the overwhelmingly obvious benefits of a multicultural society. This is what their answer to integration into UK society really is.
Why not let the child decide when they are old enough. Where does it stop, will the child be allowed to choose what bits it chops off its parents? What if there was a society that killed their people once they reached 70. If they chose to move to the UK do you think we should allow them to continue because its just a quirk of their society?
I really don't care if Africans / Muslims want to chop bits of there own daughters, provided they do it in they own **** hole countries.
What I have never understood is why we accept immigration from these places without doing any homework beforehand. It is only after years of immigration that we realise that they have brought some problems with them, and then we end up tied in knots trying to do something about it.
If in some countries 90% plus are cut, I doubt that it was hardly a secret, why did it take us years to realise this and even longer to do nothing about it ?
If you accept immigration from these places, you have to accept what they will bring with them. You cant just make some of their cultural / religious practices illegal the moment they get off the plane.
What I have never understood is why we accept immigration from these places without doing any homework beforehand. It is only after years of immigration that we realise that they have brought some problems with them, and then we end up tied in knots trying to do something about it.
If in some countries 90% plus are cut, I doubt that it was hardly a secret, why did it take us years to realise this and even longer to do nothing about it ?
If you accept immigration from these places, you have to accept what they will bring with them. You cant just make some of their cultural / religious practices illegal the moment they get off the plane.
del mar said:
I really don't care if Africans / Muslims want to chop bits of there own daughters, provided they do it in they own **** hole countries.
What I have never understood is why we accept immigration from these places without doing any homework beforehand. It is only after years of immigration that we realise that they have brought some problems with them, and then we end up tied in knots trying to do something about it.
If in some countries 90% plus are cut, I doubt that it was hardly a secret, why did it take us years to realise this and even longer to do nothing about it ?
If you accept immigration from these places, you have to accept what they will bring with them. You cant just make some of their cultural / religious practices illegal the moment they get off the plane.
Exactly. You don't particularly care about them except when it's a handy excuse to support your anti-immigrant views.What I have never understood is why we accept immigration from these places without doing any homework beforehand. It is only after years of immigration that we realise that they have brought some problems with them, and then we end up tied in knots trying to do something about it.
If in some countries 90% plus are cut, I doubt that it was hardly a secret, why did it take us years to realise this and even longer to do nothing about it ?
If you accept immigration from these places, you have to accept what they will bring with them. You cant just make some of their cultural / religious practices illegal the moment they get off the plane.
Glad that's cleared up.
Nanook said:
His anti-immigrant views?
take a look at his other threads. There's a consistent pattern. It doesn't matter what the problem is. What matters is "can he point the finger and say Ooooh look! Muslims!"Nanook said:
That's not nearly how it reads to me, he seems to be saying it's part of their culture, they live here now, we need to accept it.
Then he's being incredibly stupid. Lots of cultures have strange practices, including barbaric ones. Culture doesn't, and never should, take precedence over the law of the land.Nanook said:
I'm sure it's been covered in this thread, but all of those against this act, you feel the same way about circumcision, yes?
As has been pointed out by others I think there's a significant difference between male circumcision and FGM. I abhor FGM, I'm ambivalent about male circumcision. I don't think the 2 can be compared to be quite honest but regardless. For me the main issue is what is legal / illegal.Nanook said:
I'm sure it's been covered in this thread, but all of those against this act, you feel the same way about circumcision, yes?
Yes. As per this story, let the child decide when they are old enough.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/mother-bab...
Countdown said:
del mar said:
I really don't care if Africans / Muslims want to chop bits of there own daughters, provided they do it in they own **** hole countries.
What I have never understood is why we accept immigration from these places without doing any homework beforehand. It is only after years of immigration that we realise that they have brought some problems with them, and then we end up tied in knots trying to do something about it.
If in some countries 90% plus are cut, I doubt that it was hardly a secret, why did it take us years to realise this and even longer to do nothing about it ?
If you accept immigration from these places, you have to accept what they will bring with them. You cant just make some of their cultural / religious practices illegal the moment they get off the plane.
Exactly. You don't particularly care about them except when it's a handy excuse to support your anti-immigrant views.What I have never understood is why we accept immigration from these places without doing any homework beforehand. It is only after years of immigration that we realise that they have brought some problems with them, and then we end up tied in knots trying to do something about it.
If in some countries 90% plus are cut, I doubt that it was hardly a secret, why did it take us years to realise this and even longer to do nothing about it ?
If you accept immigration from these places, you have to accept what they will bring with them. You cant just make some of their cultural / religious practices illegal the moment they get off the plane.
Glad that's cleared up.
However if we allow these people to come to our country we have to appreciate what they will bring with them, and whether that works for us or not. Do we have the ability / resources to deal with it ?
Looking at our complete failure to do anything about FGM, would suggest we did not appreciate it, and we certainly don't have the ability / resources to deal with it.
We have enough problems of our own, why import others ?
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