FGM Parties

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Cotty said:

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I've no idea about what Type1a or Type IV is.

If it's legal I'm not overly bothered.

There are lot of things that were legal than are no longer legal. The legality of something does not make it right.

i don't disagree. We all have our views about what is right and what is wrong. I think FGM is rightly illegal. Male circumcision isn' and I'm fine with that. I think any efforts to equate the two is silly and detracts from focusing on FGM so is counterproductive.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

WinstonWolf said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Nanook said:

I've stated several times I'm against cutting parts of the genitalia of non-consenting children.

You're apparently not.

An idiot....and a liar. Nice combo.

You support the cutting of people's genitalia without their consent?

Nope, you got that wrong...again. It really isn't difficult to grasp, try reading the thread.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Nanook said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

An idiot....and a liar. Nice combo.

Every time you try and deflect a point by ignoring it and insulting people, you only make yourself look more and more pathetic.

And you lie about what people have said to try and make your own case. That's pathetic.

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Nanook said:

Can you please explain this?

Trying to equate cutting parts of a female child's genitalia to cutting parts of a male child's genitalia is "silly"?

And this isn't only based on the law, it's based on your view of what is right and wrong?

I'll do my best.

One is painless and has no negative effects on the person it is done to. It has various benefits from a cleanliness point of view

7 reasons to get circumcised

Benefits of male circumcision

Male circumcision benefits outweigh risks

FGM is not painless, has no health benefits, can be potentially fatal, and has major implications for the victim

[WinstonWolf]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

WinstonWolf said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Nanook said:

I've stated several times I'm against cutting parts of the genitalia of non-consenting children.

You're apparently not.

An idiot....and a liar. Nice combo.

You support the cutting of people's genitalia without their consent?

Nope, you got that wrong...again. It really isn't difficult to grasp, try reading the thread.

So you're actually against circumcision of children until they're old enough to consent for themselves?

You seem to keep changing your mind.

Yeah but no but...

[TwigtheWonderkid]

WinstonWolf said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

WinstonWolf said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Nanook said:

I've stated several times I'm against cutting parts of the genitalia of non-consenting children.

You're apparently not.

An idiot....and a liar. Nice combo.

You support the cutting of people's genitalia without their consent?

Nope, you got that wrong...again. It really isn't difficult to grasp, try reading the thread.

So you're actually against circumcision of children until they're old enough to consent for themselves?

You seem to keep changing your mind.

Yeah but no but...

Not changed my mind once. Trawl the thread and find a post where I am pro circumcision. I think you'll struggle.

You complain about ridiculous analogies, but they are necessary to try and get thru to utter dummies what the real situation is. So I'm going to give you another one.

I hate Man Utd. Utterly loathe them. I'm not that keen on Liverpool either, but it's Man Utd I really hate. I'd quite like to see them both lose but come Saturday afternoon, it's Man U who I am focused on, cheering on whoever they a playing. If Man Utd cease to exist, I'll worry about Liverpool, but as things are, I'll concentrate my efforts on doing Man Utd down.

Now a question for you. Am I

a) A Liverpool supporter?
b) Someone who doesn't much care for Liverpool, but has far more important things to worry about, like Man Utd.

In case you're struggling, the answer is b.

You see, just because you're not that bothered about thing X because you think thing Y is far more important, doesn't mean you're a supporter thing X. Perhaps if thing Y didn't exist, you'd care more about thing X. But Y does exist.

[Dromedary66]

Countdown said:

I'll do my best.

One is painless and has no negative effects on the person it is done to. It has various benefits from a cleanliness point of view

You're a muslim and so I consider you to be indoctrinated as pro-circumcision.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Nanook said:

To be honest, it's hard to keep up with your continuous ridiculous comparisons, perhaps the conversation would be easier if you would actually talk about the matter at hand.

We agree. This thread is about FGM. It should stay about FGM. Anyone wanting to discuss far more minor issues, like circumcision, should fk off and start another thread.

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Dromedary66 said:

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I'll do my best.

One is painless and has no negative effects on the person it is done to. It has various benefits from a cleanliness point of view

You're a muslim and so I consider you to be indoctrinated as pro-circumcision.

Probably. That's the thing about indoctrination... you wouldn't realise you'd been indoctrinated

So, using your logic - you're not a muslim and therefore I consider you to be indoctrinated as anti-circumcision.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Nanook said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

We agree. This thread is about FGM. It should stay about FGM. Anyone wanting to discuss far more minor issues, like circumcision, should fk off and start another thread.

Sorry, you're not the arbiter of the thread, it doesn't work like that.

But you were the one that said we should stick to the matter at hand. Make your mind up.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Nanook said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

But you were the one that said we should stick to the matter at hand. Make your mind up.

If you have nothing to say, feel free to say nothing.

As I've said time and time again, if you want to discuss it, carry on, but leave the insults at the door, they only serve to make you look foolish, and detract from the serious discussion.

I want to discuss FGM, and how we stop it, which is the thread subject, and was being discussed before it was derailed by people obsessed with far less serious issues.

[Cotty]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I want to discuss FGM, and how we stop it, which is the thread subject, and was being discussed before it was derailed by people obsessed with far less serious issues.

One is not less serious, one is widely accepted and legal the other is not accepted in the UK and is illegal. Chopping bits off children whatever sex is serious.

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Cotty said:

One is not less serious, one is widely accepted and legal the other is not accepted in the UK and is illegal. Chopping bits off children whatever sex is serious.

If you assert that both are equally serious

1. Why do you think one is legal and the other isn't?
2. Why are the physical effects of both so vastly different?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Countdown said:

Cotty said:

One is not less serious, one is widely accepted and legal the other is not accepted in the UK and is illegal. Chopping bits off children whatever sex is serious.

If you assert that both are equally serious

1. Why do you think one is legal and the other isn't?
2. Why are the physical effects of both so vastly different?

And why do tens of thousands of medical professionals around the world carry out one, and not the other.

[Cotty]

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If you assert that both are equally serious

1. Why do you think one is legal and the other isn't?
2. Why are the physical effects of both so vastly different?

Because one sometimes has to be carried out for medical reasons so you can't make it illegal.

I think because one is done as an infant usually by medically train staff and potentially does not affect the person, the other is done to a young child by untrained people that causes issues/problems

Edited by Cotty on Wednesday 19th July 15:57

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Cotty said:

Because one sometimes has to be carried out for medical reasons so you can make it illegal.

I think because one is done as an infant usually by medically train staff and potentially does not affect the person, the other is done to a young child by untrained people that causes issues/problems

You could just as easily make male circumcision illegal and have a medical exemption clause..

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Cotty said:

I think because one is done as an infant usually by medically train staff and potentially does not affect the person, the other is done to a young child by untrained people that causes issues/problems

Edited by Cotty on Wednesday 19th July 15:57

Maybe that makes one a far more serious problem than the other?

[Cotty]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Cotty said:

I think because one is done as an infant usually by medically train staff and potentially does not affect the person, the other is done to a young child by untrained people that causes issues/problems

Maybe that makes one a far more serious problem than the other?

I agree that you could probably prioritise the eradication of FGM, however the other issue still needs to be addressed

[WinstonWolf]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

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Cotty said:

One is not less serious, one is widely accepted and legal the other is not accepted in the UK and is illegal. Chopping bits off children whatever sex is serious.

If you assert that both are equally serious

1. Why do you think one is legal and the other isn't?
2. Why are the physical effects of both so vastly different?

And why do tens of thousands of medical professionals around the world carry out one, and not the other.

On consenting adults or children? None of us have a problem with adults choosing what to do with their own bits, the issue is someone else chopping your bits off without your consent.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

WinstonWolf said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Countdown said:

Cotty said:

One is not less serious, one is widely accepted and legal the other is not accepted in the UK and is illegal. Chopping bits off children whatever sex is serious.

If you assert that both are equally serious

1. Why do you think one is legal and the other isn't?
2. Why are the physical effects of both so vastly different?

And why do tens of thousands of medical professionals around the world carry out one, and not the other.

On consenting adults or children? .

On children.