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Russian Troll Bot said:
"There hasn't been a case of FGM in the UK, it's a disproportionate response" where do they dig up these lunatics from?
https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/103801558959439...
Seems to have history as a provocative nutter - https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/103801558959439...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/may/31/he...
del mar said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
del mar said:
But you are correct we only have this vile thing as an issue in the country as we have imported it, no immigration no FGM, who would have though it !
Just as well, as without immigration, we wouldn't have an NHS to treat the complications!Only 20% of all NHS workers are classified as BAME, they make up about 13% of our population. They are over represented but not by the huge amount that popular perception would have us believe.
Some sectors will have different proportions.
39% of NHS staff in London are non UK - 12% EU and 27% Non EU - so your plan to kick out all immigrants wouldn't help healthcare in London anyway.
rscott said:
del mar said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
del mar said:
But you are correct we only have this vile thing as an issue in the country as we have imported it, no immigration no FGM, who would have though it !
Just as well, as without immigration, we wouldn't have an NHS to treat the complications!Only 20% of all NHS workers are classified as BAME, they make up about 13% of our population. They are over represented but not by the huge amount that popular perception would have us believe.
Some sectors will have different proportions.
39% of NHS staff in London are non UK - 12% EU and 27% Non EU - so your plan to kick out all immigrants wouldn't help healthcare in London anyway.
If 40% of London nhs staff are immigrants, and 40% of the population are also immigrants removing all immigrants would have little effect on the nhs. Which is what twig was trying to point out.
The non eu population of London is approx 25%, and they make up 27% of the nhs in London.
Aren’t we making the same point ?
Non UK nationals are not saving the nhs in London, they are needed to cope with the huge number of non UK nationals.
del mar said:
rscott said:
del mar said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
del mar said:
But you are correct we only have this vile thing as an issue in the country as we have imported it, no immigration no FGM, who would have though it !
Just as well, as without immigration, we wouldn't have an NHS to treat the complications!Only 20% of all NHS workers are classified as BAME, they make up about 13% of our population. They are over represented but not by the huge amount that popular perception would have us believe.
Some sectors will have different proportions.
39% of NHS staff in London are non UK - 12% EU and 27% Non EU - so your plan to kick out all immigrants wouldn't help healthcare in London anyway.
If 40% of London nhs staff are immigrants, and 40% of the population are also immigrants removing all immigrants would have little effect on the nhs. Which is what twig was trying to point out.
The non eu population of London is approx 25%, and they make up 27% of the nhs in London.
Aren’t we making the same point ?
Non UK nationals are not saving the nhs in London, they are needed to cope with the huge number of non UK nationals.
Another Muslim group calling for a safe option for FGM to allow their "religious obligations."
http://www.dailymirror.lk/article/Muslim-groups-ca...
Not a huge community, but yet another group that don't live in Africa, that feel it is an obligation as a muslim.
They don't call it fgm, "circumcision" is the correct term and not as severe as some others.
http://www.dailymirror.lk/article/Muslim-groups-ca...
Not a huge community, but yet another group that don't live in Africa, that feel it is an obligation as a muslim.
They don't call it fgm, "circumcision" is the correct term and not as severe as some others.
del mar said:
Another Muslim group calling for a safe option for FGM to allow their "religious obligations."
http://www.dailymirror.lk/article/Muslim-groups-ca...
Not a huge community, but yet another group that don't live in Africa, that feel it is an obligation as a muslim.
They don't call it fgm, "circumcision" is the correct term and not as severe as some others.
"We wish to categorically state that the practice of female circumcision is an obligatory Islamic duty, that it confers numerous benefits and is not Female Genital Mutilation"http://www.dailymirror.lk/article/Muslim-groups-ca...
Not a huge community, but yet another group that don't live in Africa, that feel it is an obligation as a muslim.
They don't call it fgm, "circumcision" is the correct term and not as severe as some others.
Absolute inhuman savages.
"She further pointed out that female circumcision practiced by Muslims is a very minor procedure similar to male circumcision where the prepuce of the clitoris is removed. This is the same as hoodectomy which is a legal cosmetic procedure chosen by women to improve genital hygiene and enhance their sex lives. "
I wonder what the lovers of male genital mutilation (Countdown / twig) in this thread have to say about the above...
Vile c*nts.
Dromedary66 said:
I wonder what the lovers of male genital mutilation (Countdown / twig) in this thread have to say about the above...
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I challenge you to find a single post where I have expressed any love for male circumcision. .
When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I challenge you to find a single post where I have expressed any love for male circumcision.
When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
You're an apologist for it and therefore I view you the same as the mohel fetishist who gets off on slicing off an 8 day old boy's foreskin.When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
Dromedary66 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I challenge you to find a single post where I have expressed any love for male circumcision.
When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
You're an apologist for it and therefore I view you the same as the mohel fetishist who gets off on slicing off an 8 day old boy's foreskin.When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
I hate Man Utd. Utterly loathe them. I'm not that keen on Liverpool either, but it's Man Utd I really hate. I'd quite like to see them both lose but come Saturday afternoon, it's Man U who I am focused on, cheering on whoever they a playing. If Man Utd cease to exist, I'll worry about Liverpool, but as things are, I'll concentrate my efforts on doing Man Utd down.
Now a question for you. Am I
a) A Liverpool supporter?
b) Someone who doesn't much care for Liverpool, but has far more important things to worry about, like Man Utd.
In case you're struggling, the answer is b.
You see, just because you're not that bothered about thing X because you think thing Y is far more important, doesn't mean you're a supporter thing X. Perhaps if thing Y didn't exist, you'd care more about thing X. But Y does exist.
Now, find a single post where I've expressed love or support for circumcision, which is what you accused me of, or apologise....or f
k off. TwigtheWonderkid said:
Dromedary66 said:
I wonder what the lovers of male genital mutilation (Countdown / twig) in this thread have to say about the above...
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I challenge you to find a single post where I have expressed any love for male circumcision. .
When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
The only thing I can think of is that I've said there's a significant difference in terms of impact between male circumcision and female circumcision, with the latter being (IMO) far more serious. For those who want to ban either it seems to make more sense to focus on the latter rather than conflating the two.
ETA I also agree with twig's post above, except that I'm a Man Utd supporter.
Dromedary66 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I challenge you to find a single post where I have expressed any love for male circumcision.
When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
You're an apologist for it and therefore I view you the same as the mohel fetishist who gets off on slicing off an 8 day old boy's foreskin.When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
Countdown said:
That goes doubly for me.
The only thing I can think of is that I've said there's a significant difference in terms of impact between male circumcision and female circumcision, with the latter being (IMO) far more serious. For those who want to ban either it seems to make more sense to focus on the latter rather than conflating the two.
ETA I also agree with twig's post above, except that I'm a Man Utd supporter.
You have no love for circumcision but you willing did it to your own son without his consent. The only thing I can think of is that I've said there's a significant difference in terms of impact between male circumcision and female circumcision, with the latter being (IMO) far more serious. For those who want to ban either it seems to make more sense to focus on the latter rather than conflating the two.
ETA I also agree with twig's post above, except that I'm a Man Utd supporter.
Was it a case of this will hurt me more than it hurts you ??
WinstonWolf said:
Dromedary66 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I challenge you to find a single post where I have expressed any love for male circumcision.
When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
You're an apologist for it and therefore I view you the same as the mohel fetishist who gets off on slicing off an 8 day old boy's foreskin.When you fail to find one, I wonder if you will apologise?
It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
Nanook said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
No it hasn't changed. I also won't be donating to any charities trying to cure the common cold whilst cancer charities are around. That does not make me a lover or apologist for the common cold.
It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, it shouldn't be.It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
But your comparison pits the common cold, a minor inconvenience, against mutilating the penis of a non-consenting baby boy, and attempts to make the point that whilst a more serious thing is occurring neither of these should be dealt with.
So, I'm not really sure you're grasping it all that well, as they are completely incomparable.
But that's not the point. I was accused of being a lover of circumcision. Now the coward who accused me, and can't back it up, has done a runner.
Dromedary....come back.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
In terms of comparative seriousness, long term effects, death rate, etc, I think the cold v cancer and circumcision v FGM are pretty similar.
But that's not the point. I was accused of being a lover of circumcision. Now the coward who accused me, and can't back it up, has done a runner.
Dromedary....come back.
That's how you came across and I stand by everything I wrote.But that's not the point. I was accused of being a lover of circumcision. Now the coward who accused me, and can't back it up, has done a runner.
Dromedary....come back.
Nanook said:
I agree the accusation leveled at appears to be unfounded, and an apology is deserved, but I still disagree that your comparison is valid or fair.
The long term affects of the common cold, are in the vast majority of cases, irrelevant.
The long term affects of a circumcision are a missing bodypart.
Speaking as somebody who was circumcised when very young I can honestly say Ive never felt there was anything missing. The long term affects of the common cold, are in the vast majority of cases, irrelevant.
The long term affects of a circumcision are a missing bodypart.
Countdown said:
Nanook said:
I agree the accusation leveled at appears to be unfounded, and an apology is deserved, but I still disagree that your comparison is valid or fair.
The long term affects of the common cold, are in the vast majority of cases, irrelevant.
The long term affects of a circumcision are a missing bodypart.
Speaking as somebody who was circumcised when very young I can honestly say Ive never felt there was anything missing. The long term affects of the common cold, are in the vast majority of cases, irrelevant.
The long term affects of a circumcision are a missing bodypart.
Just call a spade a spade.
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