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Countdown said:
Nanook said:
I agree the accusation leveled at appears to be unfounded, and an apology is deserved, but I still disagree that your comparison is valid or fair.
The long term affects of the common cold, are in the vast majority of cases, irrelevant.
The long term affects of a circumcision are a missing bodypart.
Speaking as somebody who was circumcised when very young I can honestly say Ive never felt there was anything missing. The long term affects of the common cold, are in the vast majority of cases, irrelevant.
The long term affects of a circumcision are a missing bodypart.
Dromedary66 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
In terms of comparative seriousness, long term effects, death rate, etc, I think the cold v cancer and circumcision v FGM are pretty similar.
But that's not the point. I was accused of being a lover of circumcision. Now the coward who accused me, and can't back it up, has done a runner.
Dromedary....come back.
That's how you came across and I stand by everything I wrote.But that's not the point. I was accused of being a lover of circumcision. Now the coward who accused me, and can't back it up, has done a runner.
Dromedary....come back.
You're pathetic, and I'm done with you. Happy to.keep debating with the grown ups though.
Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Monday 10th September 20:20
del mar said:
They've got 25 cases where they appear to be certain the abuse occurred in the UK - not sure why the can't simply charge the parent/guardians of the child with it?Dromedary66 said:
Exactly, there should be as many prosecutions as there are reports of female circumcision.
Nope. Many of the reports are of FGM which occurred many years before, often before the victim came to the UK. It may well have been legal in whatever country they were in at the time.However any which can be proved to have occurred in the UK (like the 25 mentioned in the report) should all lead to prosecutions.
93% of Muslim women in Malaysia fulfill their religious duty !!
I didn’t think Malaysia was in Africa ?
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-13/female-c...
I didn’t think Malaysia was in Africa ?
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-13/female-c...
del mar said:
93% of Muslim women in Malaysia fulfill their religious duty !!
I didn’t think Malaysia was in Africa ?
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-13/female-c...
That's because it isn't.I didn’t think Malaysia was in Africa ?
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-13/female-c...
Officially an Islamic country though. Seem to suffer from this practice, which has become culturally embedded.
As ever, the solution seems to be around more education and just continuing to highlight it.
It will take generations to end. A corporate speaker I heard once said "culture eats strategy for breakfast".
It seems to have common sense for lunch, free thinking for tea and women's rights as a bedtime snack.
Witches, spells, voodoo, genital mutilation......
"Spells and curses aimed at police officers and a social worker were discovered at the home of a woman accused of the female genital mutilation (FGM) of her daughter when she was three, a court has heard."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/16/sp...
"Spells and curses aimed at police officers and a social worker were discovered at the home of a woman accused of the female genital mutilation (FGM) of her daughter when she was three, a court has heard."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/16/sp...
Countdown said:
Speaking as somebody who was circumcised when very young I can honestly say Ive never felt there was anything missing.
Me too. I think that people who attempt to conflate FGM with circumcision have a nasty motivation for doing so, there is no comparison between the two as far as I am concernedFGM victims suffer for their whole lives for starters. A lifetime of suffering from a misogynistic procedure designed to make sex unpleasurable, removing the pleasure of one of nature's most enjoyable gifts to humanity and leaving them exposed to a lifetime of pain, infection, disease.
Male circumcision - I am sure that the majority of circumcised men are a) not bothered and b) don't suffer any effects whatsoever after the initial minute. How can anyone compare that to a lifetime of pain, the removal of pleasure from sex, exposure to infection.
What is interesting is that on Pistonheads you have the usual right wing attitude that lefties get offended by things on behalf of other people, causing uneccesary political correctness, and here you have a load of blokes with foreskins complaining on behalf of a group of people who don't have one - but who couldn't care less
The reason for the process being carried out, and the effects, are not remotely comparable and I question the motivations of anyone who does so
La Liga said:
amusingduck said:
Why do they get anonymity?
Probably because morons (Tommy Robinson and his fans, for example) can't be trusted to let the trial take its course without doing things that would risk it being abandoned. But obviously right wing people are the problem yeah must be that
jakesmith said:
FGM victims suffer for their whole lives for starters. A lifetime of suffering from a misogynistic procedure designed to make sex unpleasurable, removing the pleasure of one of nature's most enjoyable gifts to humanity and leaving them exposed to a lifetime of pain, infection, disease.
There are plenty of MGM victims who would say the above statement applies equally to them.https://www.mendocomplain.com/
In my opinion even if it was just 1 person that was affected in that way it is enough of a reason for ritualistic and non-therapeutic circumcision to be outlawed entirely.
Just because you had it done to you because you're a Jew; had the misfortune to be born in a country where they cut off the ends of babies cocks as a matter of routine; or because yours didn't work properly does not mean that it should be allowed to continue because of some a
hole backward traditions with people believing their sky daddy commands it of them.I view the witchcraft practising Ugandan woman in the above article in exactly the same way as a pair of Jewish parents who take their son to a bris when he is 8 days old.
jakesmith said:
Countdown said:
Speaking as somebody who was circumcised when very young I can honestly say Ive never felt there was anything missing.
Me too. I think that people who attempt to conflate FGM with circumcision have a nasty motivation for doing so, there is no comparison between the two as far as I am concernedIs it to downplay FGM? How does that work? Seems to me that arguing "not all genital mutilation is bad" legitimises FGM far more than "ban all genital mutilation".
What about if we just bring FGM in line with circumcision? Removing only the clitoral hood, that's presumably fine?
Dromedary66 said:
There are plenty of MGM victims who would say the above statement applies equally to them.
https://www.mendocomplain.com/
In my opinion even if it was just 1 person that was affected in that way it is enough of a reason for ritualistic and non-therapeutic circumcision to be outlawed entirely.
Just because you had it done to you because you're a Jew; had the misfortune to be born in a country where they cut off the ends of babies cocks as a matter of routine; or because yours didn't work properly does not mean that it should be allowed to continue because of some ahole backward traditions with people believing their sky daddy commands it of them.
I view the witchcraft practising Ugandan woman in the above article in exactly the same way as a pair of Jewish parents who take their son to a bris when he is 8 days old.
There's clearly an amount of primitive religious stupidity still going on in the UK and it's even reflected in some of the schools allowed inexplicably to continue operating. Good luck getting the government to speak out against any problem caused by religion.https://www.mendocomplain.com/
In my opinion even if it was just 1 person that was affected in that way it is enough of a reason for ritualistic and non-therapeutic circumcision to be outlawed entirely.
Just because you had it done to you because you're a Jew; had the misfortune to be born in a country where they cut off the ends of babies cocks as a matter of routine; or because yours didn't work properly does not mean that it should be allowed to continue because of some a
hole backward traditions with people believing their sky daddy commands it of them.I view the witchcraft practising Ugandan woman in the above article in exactly the same way as a pair of Jewish parents who take their son to a bris when he is 8 days old.
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