The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)
Discussion
Funny that, I know very few Brexit voters.
I'm looking forward to Mays speech today & how it goes down on the continent. The ball has always been in their court, we'll be grateful for any crumbs from the table.
I expect EU will shrug their shoulders & continue to laugh at our increasingly desperate begging.
I expect the Tory party will implode before any deal is done. Their internal EU squabble is as far from over.
So who knows what the next phase will bring. Certainly not the Tories delivering the impossible dream.
I'm looking forward to Mays speech today & how it goes down on the continent. The ball has always been in their court, we'll be grateful for any crumbs from the table.
I expect EU will shrug their shoulders & continue to laugh at our increasingly desperate begging.
I expect the Tory party will implode before any deal is done. Their internal EU squabble is as far from over.
So who knows what the next phase will bring. Certainly not the Tories delivering the impossible dream.
Jimboka said:
Funny that, I know very few Brexit voters.
I'm looking forward to Mays speech today & how it goes down on the continent. The ball has always been in their court, we'll be grateful for any crumbs from the table.
I'm looking forward to Mays speech today & how it goes down on the continent. The ball has always been in their court, we'll be grateful for any crumbs from the table.
That sounds more like being a net contributor in the EU rather than a nation leaving the EU.
Baking its own bread without interference from a mad nanny.
turbobloke said:
That sounds more like being a net contributor in the EU rather than a nation leaving the EU.
Baking its own bread without interference from a mad nanny.
We were promised milk and honey.
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Friday 22 September 08:39
PurpleMoonlight said:
We will be living on bread and water?
We were promised milk and honey.
Fear not, there will be a surfeit of nouns, adjectives & verbs from Turbobloke for evermore, all arranged in increasingly flowery ways to convey the same paucity of meaning again & again. We were promised milk and honey.
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Friday 22 September 08:39
Jimboka said:
I'm looking forward to Mays speech today & how it goes down on the continent. The ball has always been in their court, we'll be grateful for any crumbs from the table.
I expect EU will shrug their shoulders & continue to laugh at our increasingly desperate begging.
Notice how May appears to have abandoned the 'no deal it better than a bad deal'. The EU appear to have called bluff on that from day one.I expect EU will shrug their shoulders & continue to laugh at our increasingly desperate begging.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Notice how May appears to have abandoned the 'no deal it better than a bad deal'. The EU appear to have called bluff on that from day one.
What is said and what is the negotiating position may be different things. If we do not reach a deal by March 2019 then we will indeed leave without one. All that is required by the government is inaction. JagLover said:
What is said and what is the negotiating position may be different things. If we do not reach a deal by March 2019 then we will indeed leave without one. All that is required by the government is inaction.
Our opening bid for a trade deal is reported as £20bn. Wonder where it will end up.jsf said:
What we are doing now will set the countries direction for a long period, I have never looked at Brexit as a short term change, its far more about what kind of politics and economy the next generations will live through. The short term costs of implementation are insignificant.
The implementation costs only remain insignificant if the outcome is a successshielsy said:
jsf said:
What we are doing now will set the countries direction for a long period, I have never looked at Brexit as a short term change, its far more about what kind of politics and economy the next generations will live through. The short term costs of implementation are insignificant.
The implementation costs only remain insignificant if the outcome is a successCan someone please remind me why it is good for business to erect a tariff barrier between the UK and a very large market?
If the plan is to accept an economic hit on the Dantean basis that you have to trudge through some dark woods in order to reach some alleged sunlit uplands that are believed (as an article of Faith) to exist at some indeterminate distance away (although where the sunlit uplands are, how far away they are, and whether they exist at all are unknowns), is this a sound economic policy? Switching from a long book about Hell to a long book about Heaven, is it thought to be cool to stomp around in a wilderness for, I dunno, forty years (or however long not so long it might be), before alighting on the Promised Land?
As for holding Government to account, how do you hold to account a Government that rules by decree? EU legislation receives Parliamentary scrutiny. Henry VIII rules (not new, but set to grow in abundance) receive minimal or no Parliamentary scrutiny. How is life under the GRB going to be more democratic than life in an organisation in which several democratically elected Governments have meetings and decide stuff?
If the plan is to accept an economic hit on the Dantean basis that you have to trudge through some dark woods in order to reach some alleged sunlit uplands that are believed (as an article of Faith) to exist at some indeterminate distance away (although where the sunlit uplands are, how far away they are, and whether they exist at all are unknowns), is this a sound economic policy? Switching from a long book about Hell to a long book about Heaven, is it thought to be cool to stomp around in a wilderness for, I dunno, forty years (or however long not so long it might be), before alighting on the Promised Land?
As for holding Government to account, how do you hold to account a Government that rules by decree? EU legislation receives Parliamentary scrutiny. Henry VIII rules (not new, but set to grow in abundance) receive minimal or no Parliamentary scrutiny. How is life under the GRB going to be more democratic than life in an organisation in which several democratically elected Governments have meetings and decide stuff?
Breadvan72 said:
Can someone please remind me why it is good for business to erect a tariff barrier between the UK and a very large market?
The UK doesn't want to erect a tariff barrier. The UK wants free trade. The EU are threatening to erect a tariff barrier, because they have to be seen to punish the UK for leaving.
HTH.
Eddie Strohacker said:
London424 said:
The UK doesn't want to erect a tariff barrier. The UK wants free trade.
The EU are threatening to erect a tariff barrier, because they have to be seen to punish the UK for leaving.
HTH.
Does not help since pure tripe.The EU are threatening to erect a tariff barrier, because they have to be seen to punish the UK for leaving.
HTH.
One of the hard Brexiteers above argues that the most important thing to do is to leave the Customs Union. This takes as an article of the policy that the UK must seek a situation in which a tariff barrier is erected. World free trade does not exist - different nations and different blocs erect various barriers. The EU has a tariff barrier around it, so saying that if the UK chooses to leave it is somehow the fault of the EU that the UK finds itself outside the barrier is plain daft. That sort of thinking encapsulates the sheer Alice in Wonderland fantastical nonsense of the entire Brexit position.
The negotiations, viewed from any sort of objective standpoint, are a car crash. The UK Government is clueless, leaderless, divided, and has hardly any cards to play, and yet leave voters insist that all is tickety boo. It really is all sooooo British. I have a harp on my passport, so I can laugh at all this, but I am more sad about it than amused.
The negotiations, viewed from any sort of objective standpoint, are a car crash. The UK Government is clueless, leaderless, divided, and has hardly any cards to play, and yet leave voters insist that all is tickety boo. It really is all sooooo British. I have a harp on my passport, so I can laugh at all this, but I am more sad about it than amused.
PurpleMoonlight said:
London424 said:
The UK doesn't want to erect a tariff barrier. The UK wants free trade.
The EU are threatening to erect a tariff barrier, because they have to be seen to punish the UK for leaving.
HTH.
No it doesn't help.The EU are threatening to erect a tariff barrier, because they have to be seen to punish the UK for leaving.
HTH.
Is the UK offering worldwide free trade post Brexit?
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