The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)
Discussion
Eddie Strohacker said:
?? She campaigned on a platform of tax cuts, public investment & reduced unemployment. You appear to have donated an unsolicited policy to the CDU.
Yes, so? She will have to go into coalition with the FDP who are very much against the proposed Eurozone changes Macron had been proposing to Merkel.This means Eurozone reform is less likely to happen because she is significantly weakened. She was just 5 seats short of an overall majority before but is now miles short so will need at least two parties to govern with her if the SDP pull out as they have indicated they will.
Like May, she remains in office but not really in power.
confused_buyer said:
Yes, so?
Yes so I don't believe it does. This election is not much different from her first. And Mutti has a way of bending with the breeze & prevaricating that wrong foots her opponents. Writing her off is a bold prediction & projecting one's desires on to a German politician is no more likely to make then come true than any other form of letter to Santa.Eddie Strohacker said:
Yes so I don't believe it does. This election is not much different from her first. And Mutti has a way of bending with the breeze & prevaricating that wrong foots her opponents. Writing her off is a bold prediction & projecting one's desires on to a German politician is no more likely to make then come true than any other form of letter to Santa.
What is one's desires? Prey tell.I'm not writing her off but her position has been weakened. You can't lose 10% of your vote and get stronger easily, particularly when you've been in office so long. She'll do OK because there isn't really an obvious alternative.
I don't think the result is very good for anyone. I think a large Merkel win would have been better simply because she would have been able to force through some possibly unpopular but much needed reform, particularly with regard to the Eurozone.
Someone has to grasp the thing and accept there will have to be faster, better decision making and inevitably some sort of organised pooling of some money or it will never work long term. An all powerful Merkel and Macron may have been able to do it. We won't get that so it won't happen which is probably a bad thing.
Edited by confused_buyer on Sunday 24th September 18:29
PurpleMoonlight said:
There is a thread about Angela Merkel, and this isn't it.
Ta.
True. I was going to respond to CB's Prey tell, but he pretended not to know what i was referring to then answered his own question anyway, so it's all good. Ta.
Now back to the name calling & deliberate obtuseness.
Eddie Strohacker said:
True. I was going to respond to CB's Prey tell, but he pretended not to know what i was referring to then answered his own question anyway, so it's all good.
Now back to the name calling & deliberate obtuseness.
I am genuinely mystified what you are talking about and what you are trying to say or even who or what you think you are arguing about. You must have started early on the sauce this evening (I'm giving it another half hour).Now back to the name calling & deliberate obtuseness.
I still don't know what you were referring to. I think Merkel has been weakened, I don't think that is a good thing, I don't think it is good for Europe, the Eurozone long term and hence everyone in general. What "desires" was I projecting onto a German politician? (Sounds a bit weird frankly).
This isn't really the place for a general Merkel discussion I agree so I will leave it at that.
confused_buyer said:
Not a great result for Merkel. She'll stay chancellor but with an odd coalition which probably won't manage any reform of how the Eurozone works.
Both current parties have lost votes, 10% down in Merkel's case, if exit polls are right.
Winning four times not a great result? Both current parties have lost votes, 10% down in Merkel's case, if exit polls are right.
Only on PH.
jjlynn27 said:
confused_buyer said:
Not a great result for Merkel. She'll stay chancellor but with an odd coalition which probably won't manage any reform of how the Eurozone works.
Both current parties have lost votes, 10% down in Merkel's case, if exit polls are right.
Winning four times not a great result? Both current parties have lost votes, 10% down in Merkel's case, if exit polls are right.
Only on PH.
Really, with the economy doing well, the books balanced she must be slightly disappointed.
jjlynn27 said:
confused_buyer said:
Not a great result for Merkel. She'll stay chancellor but with an odd coalition which probably won't manage any reform of how the Eurozone works.
Both current parties have lost votes, 10% down in Merkel's case, if exit polls are right.
Winning four times not a great result? Both current parties have lost votes, 10% down in Merkel's case, if exit polls are right.
Only on PH.
It's also the end of any chance of reform of the Euro.
What interesting is they aren't even waiting for the official results, they are straight into accepting the result is going to be close to the exit polls and onto discussions with potential partners. AFD are already saying they will hunt her down for breaking the law when she allowed the migrants in. It's going to be a new politics in Germany, not a pleasant one either.
It wont make the slightest difference to Brexit or UK economy, but it could affect the Euro when the markets open.
Eddie Strohacker said:
jsf said:
Its a dreadful result for her, surely you can see that?
What was her first result in 2005?Populism is not dead in Europe more's the pity, but you're doomsaying is doomish.
The point being the French, and now possibly the German elections, have given rise to a significant number of what were being called Nazis on PH in the shape of the AFD and Le Pen.
Both haven't won, but it's hardly a good thing , is it ?
Kinda funny to note that the UK elections saw the total decline of what PH again called the Nazi party, in the form of Ukip.
Both haven't won, but it's hardly a good thing , is it ?
Kinda funny to note that the UK elections saw the total decline of what PH again called the Nazi party, in the form of Ukip.
Eddie Strohacker said:
jsf said:
Its a dreadful result for her, surely you can see that?
What was her first result in 2005?Populism is not dead in Europe more's the pity, but your doomsaying is doomish.
Edited by Eddie Strohacker on Sunday 24th September 19:51
The situation today has given Germany a significantly different political landscape, we have a serious rise in the far right and for the first time since WW2 they have a voice in parliament. You cant possibly see this as a success for Merkel, its a disaster politically for her getting anything done. It's a disaster for the image of Germany on the world stage (copywrite any previous comments on the UKIP vote who only ever manage one MP, not 80+)
I am not doomsaying, I am telling you what just happened. If that's frying your head its not me trying to spin it to do so. Everything we have seen over the last few years has been pointing to this result. When people like you poopood the rise of the right in France and Holland as something that could be ignored, because they didn't win, when you took it as a failure when they gained massive support compared to previous elections, its no surprise at all you are now trying to deflect just how signficant the German election result is.
Do you not see there is a serious problem that has been ignored that has been driving the rise of the far right all across Europe? People are pissed off after 30 years of no increase in their standard of living and their concerns being ignored. Are you going to ignore this result too?
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