The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)
Discussion
Tuna said:
Weary realism like : "There will be an immediate and profound recession", and "We will have to have an emergency budget" and "millions of jobs will be lost"?
You also seem to forget that the vast majority of the media were (and still are) strongly Remain biased. The BBC, Channel 4, Independent, Financial Times, Economist, Guardian all struggled with independent reporting. If you think Farage frothing at the mouth constituted a better campaign than the alarmist voices from the establishment, I feel you misunderstood what actually happened in the referendum.
The majority of newspapers and newspaper articles in the leadup to the referendum were pro-Brexit.You also seem to forget that the vast majority of the media were (and still are) strongly Remain biased. The BBC, Channel 4, Independent, Financial Times, Economist, Guardian all struggled with independent reporting. If you think Farage frothing at the mouth constituted a better campaign than the alarmist voices from the establishment, I feel you misunderstood what actually happened in the referendum.
https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/risj-re...
Of the articles focused on the referendum, 41% were pro-Leave, while 27% were pro-Remain, creating a dominant pro-Leave presence. (See Fig 4.1) After factoring in the reach of different newspapers, the pro-Brexit dominance is further accentuated, with 48% of all referendum-focused articles pro-Leave and just 22% pro-Remain.
The Leave campaign did many things right-but creating the illusion of 'sticking it to the establishment' was one of their greatest accomplishments.
Breadvan72 said:
Read the whole message: "I do not mean big and crowded and sometimes grumpy, but I do mean affluent and enlightened."
Affluence and enlightenment not your bag?
'Enlightened' You're funny.Affluence and enlightenment not your bag?
For a supposedly intelligent bloke you do come across as a Miss World contestant at times.
Breadvan72 said:
Cultural benefits? Many of these are intangible and felt more than described, but try the Erasmus programme, try the link ups between orchestras and the sharing of exhibitions, and the sports and arts exchanges between schools, try the civilising influence of having lots of French people in a neighbourhood, try the Polish work ethic (and Polski Sklep is pretty good too), try all of the restaurants and cafes and shops (not just the non EU ethnic ones), try the coming and going and travelling around, try having your daughter in a class at school where there is a French child, a Danish child, a Swedish child, an Italian child, and a Czech child (that's my daughter's class - also two Americans, one Nigerian, one Chinese, and even some Brits).
Now, some of that may survive Brexit, but some may well not, and sadly it seems that at least a few Brit voters don't want it to survive.
All that happened well before the EU even existed.Now, some of that may survive Brexit, but some may well not, and sadly it seems that at least a few Brit voters don't want it to survive.
Breadvan72 said:
Cultural benefits? Many of these are intangible and felt more than described, but try the Erasmus programme, try the link ups between orchestras and the sharing of exhibitions, and the sports and arts exchanges between schools, try the civilising influence of having lots of French people in a neighbourhood, try the Polish work ethic (and Polski Sklep is pretty good too), try all of the restaurants and cafes and shops (not just the non EU ethnic ones), try the coming and going and travelling around, try having your daughter in a class at school where there is a French child, a Danish child, a Swedish child, an Italian child, and a Czech child (that's my daughter's class - also two Americans, one Nigerian, one Chinese, and even some Brits).
I'd say that these really aren't felt in areas of the country, certainly not mine. I'm pretty young by PH standards, and there simply wasn't this kind of diversity when I was at school. Everyone was British. Sure, there was a good mix of different ethnicities, but they were all British. The most foreign kid we had at school was someone with a cockney accent!Understandable really. If you can send your child to England as an exchange student, you probably wouldn't send them to the Midlands!
Erasmus existed before the EU, I had friends at school with French parents and I used to attend the local Polish club before the early 90's. I'm pretty sure schools used to go on overseas sports tours before 1993.
No need for a political union and a degradation of my democratic rights for anything you've listed.
No need for a political union and a degradation of my democratic rights for anything you've listed.
amusingduck said:
Breadvan72 said:
Cultural benefits? Many of these are intangible and felt more than described, but try the Erasmus programme, try the link ups between orchestras and the sharing of exhibitions, and the sports and arts exchanges between schools, try the civilising influence of having lots of French people in a neighbourhood, try the Polish work ethic (and Polski Sklep is pretty good too), try all of the restaurants and cafes and shops (not just the non EU ethnic ones), try the coming and going and travelling around, try having your daughter in a class at school where there is a French child, a Danish child, a Swedish child, an Italian child, and a Czech child (that's my daughter's class - also two Americans, one Nigerian, one Chinese, and even some Brits).
I'd say that these really aren't felt in areas of the country, certainly not mine. I'm pretty young by PH standards, and there simply wasn't this kind of diversity when I was at school. Everyone was British. Sure, there was a good mix of different ethnicities, but they were all British. The most foreign kid we had at school was someone with a cockney accent!Understandable really. If you can send your child to England as an exchange student, you probably wouldn't send them to the Midlands!
Of course, some schools have lots of Somalis, or Kurds, or others of the kind that so affright many Brexit voters and some NPE posters (not those here, for the most part - I repeat that by no means (I say again, by no means) all Brexiteers are xenophobes or racists, but it seems a safe bet that almost all xenophobes and racists are Brexiteers), but that is a difefrent debate.
Breadvan72 said:
CaptainSlow said:
Erasmus existed before the EU ...
No, it really didn't. It started in 1987. If you are going to say that the EEC was not called the EU untgil after 1993, puh -lease.Breadvan72 said:
No, it all really didn't. Please, study some British social history.
Also, to take just one thing sort of at random - the Erasmus Programme started in 1987.
Thanks for the suggestion, not required though.Also, to take just one thing sort of at random - the Erasmus Programme started in 1987.
Have a think about why the student exchange program that existed prior to Erasmus wasn't called Erasmus, I'm sure a man of your intelligence can figure it out.
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