The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

[anonymous-user]

cookie118 said:

The majority of newspapers and newspaper articles in the leadup to the referendum were pro-Brexit.

https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/risj-re...

Of the articles focused on the referendum, 41% were pro-Leave, while 27% were pro-Remain, creating a dominant pro-Leave presence. (See Fig 4.1) After factoring in the reach of different newspapers, the pro-Brexit dominance is further accentuated, with 48% of all referendum-focused articles pro-Leave and just 22% pro-Remain.

The Leave campaign did many things right-but creating the illusion of 'sticking it to the establishment' was one of their greatest accomplishments.

& it is incredible that establishment figures like Boris & Public schoolboy Brussels gravy-train Farage fooled enough to have scraped it.
It is fact that the professional brexiteers will lose nothing. The typical brexit voter will lose most.
Comedy gold.

[turbobloke]

Jimboka said:

typical brexit voter

[CaptainSlow]

John145 said:

Canada is part of Erasmus.

Sssh, next you'll be saying they have access to the Single Market. Madness I tell you!

[anonymous-user]

Dr Jekyll said:

jsf said:

Try USA then, cant drink until 21 but average age of soldier killed in Vietnam being 19.

22 actually.

Sounds like we were all lied to in song.

[Funkycoldribena]

Jimboka said:

& it is incredible that establishment figures like Boris & Public schoolboy Brussels gravy-train Farage fooled enough to have scraped it.
It is fact that the professional brexiteers will lose nothing. The typical brexit voter will lose most.
Comedy gold.

So there is a Brussels gravy train?

[anonymous-user]

John145 said:

Breadvan72 said:

CaptainSlow said:

Erasmus existed before the EU ...

It started in 1987. If you are going to say that the EEC was not called the EU until after 1993, puh-lease.

Canada is part of Erasmus.

There is a bilateral educational set up between Canada and the EU, and there is Erasmus Mundus for non-EU exchanges. Mainstream Erasmus is an EU thing. That's the thing that makes it easier for your child to study for a bit at, say, Madrid or Krakow or Berlin or Bologna while an undergraduate, and assists kids from, say, Prague or Naples to rock up for a bit at Brit universities.

Is Mr Davis putting these things high on the Brit wish list in the so far very successful and fast moving negotiations? What about all the funding for universities? (See also cross recognition of qualifications - a wider topic) I doubt it. The focus has to be on things considered bigger, so cultural and educational exchanges are not likely to be secured by the deadline, and afterwards who knows, especially if we retain a Government that isn't very big on culture and education anyway.

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[alfie2244]

Jimboka said:

& it is incredible that establishment figures like Boris & Public schoolboy Brussels gravy-train Farage fooled enough to have scraped it.
It is fact that the professional brexiteers will lose nothing. The typical brexit voter will lose most.
Comedy gold.

And there was me thinking it was the youngsters that will lose most not us old fogie typical Brexit voters

[CaptainSlow]

alfie2244 said:

Jimboka said:

& it is incredible that establishment figures like Boris & Public schoolboy Brussels gravy-train Farage fooled enough to have scraped it.
It is fact that the professional brexiteers will lose nothing. The typical brexit voter will lose most.
Comedy gold.

And there was me thinking it was the youngsters that will lose most not us old fogie typical Brexit voters

One day the enlightened Remainers will realise there are things that are more important than money.

[anonymous-user]

Breadvan72 said:

There is a bilateral educational set up between Canada and the EU, and there is Erasmus Mundus for non-EU exchanges. Mainstream Erasmus is an EU thing. That's the thing that makes it easier for your child to study for a bit at, say, Madrid or Krakow or Berlin or Bologna while an undergraduate, and assists kids from, say, Prague or Naples to rock up for a bit at Brit universities.

Is Mr Davis putting these things high on the Brit wish list in the so far very successful and fast moving negotiations? What about all the funding for universities? (See also cross recognition of qualificiations - a wider topic) I doubt it. The focus has to be on things considered bigger, so cultural and educational exchanges are not likely to be secured by the deadline, and afterwards who knows, especially if we retain a Government that isn't very big on culture and education anyway.

From Mays speech 3 days ago

"And as we move forwards, we will also want to continue working together in ways that promote the long-term economic development of our continent.

This includes continuing to take part in those specific policies and programmes which are greatly to the UK and the EU’s joint advantage, such as those that promote science, education and culture – and those that promote our mutual security."

If you care to look at the EU documents on the negotiations so far, cross recognition of qualifications is in there in this first round of negotiations.

You don't appear to be very well briefed on this EU thing.

[sidicks]

Breadvan72 said:

I repeat that by no means (I say again, by no means) all Brexiteers are xenophobes or racists, but it seems a safe bet that almost all xenophobes and racists are Brexiteers), but that is a difefrent debate.

And if that was the case then the UKIP poster that you referred to previously would have had an adverse effect on the leave campaign, as those people that it appealed to would already be voting 'leave' regardless and it might have put off some of those who were undecided...

[anonymous-user]

The poster may have persuaded some of the racists to vote, who might otherwise have stayed at home. Also people who are perhaps not racist but are easily frightened. Fear can be a motivator. Farage plays to fear with some skill. Some here have said that as Leavers they deplored the 350 million fib and the nasty UKIP poster, but they looked past those things. Perhaps some people were so turned off by such stuff that they switched to Remain. It is hard to say without interviewing every voter.

[sidicks]

Jimboka said:

& it is incredible that establishment figures like Boris & Public schoolboy Brussels gravy-train Farage fooled enough to have scraped it.
It is fact that the professional brexiteers will lose nothing. The typical brexit voter will lose most.
Comedy gold.

It is no such thing. Your idiotic generalisations are certainly 'comedy gold'.

[sidicks]

Breadvan72 said:

The poster may have persuaded some of the racists to vote, who might otherwise have stayed at home.

Seems unlikely.

Breadvan72 said:

Also people who are perhaps not racist but are easily frightened. Fear can be a motivator. Farage plays to fear with some skill. Some here have said that as Leavers they deplored the 350 million fib and the nasty UKIP poster, but they looked past those things. Perhaps some people were so turned off by such stuff that they switched to Remain. It is hard to say without interviewing every voter.

You made the original claim.

Regardless, I think fear was the focus of the 'remain' campaign, so not sure that helps your claim either!

[Sway]

Breadvan72 said:

The poster may have persuaded some of the racists to vote, who might otherwise have stayed at home. Also people who are perhaps not racist but are easily frightened. Fear can be a motivator. Farage plays to fear with some skill. Some here have said that as Leavers they deplored the 350 million fib and the nasty UKIP poster, but they looked past those things. Perhaps some people were so turned off by such stuff that they switched to Remain. It is hard to say without interviewing every voter.

Indeed, and you're absolutely correct when it comes to fear as a motivator.

I wonder what worry the Chancellor of the Exchequer caused when he said that Brexit would ruin our economy immediately, and that he'd be forced to call an emergency budget? He said it quite skillfully...

[anonymous-user]

May doing aspirational speechifying is all very noble, but look at what is actually taking up the time (sensibly enough) - it's not Erasmus or hockey. Qualifications is a bigger subject than cultural exchange, and affects stuff such as NHS worker supply, and so connects with free movement and so on, but in the university sector it may impact also on the research strength of British universities, currently ranked highly but under threat of falling down the rankings post EU.

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

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You made the original claim.

What claim?

[alfie2244]

[sidicks]

Breadvan72 said:

sidicks said:

You made the original claim.

What claim?

Sorry, i thought you were claiming that had a big impact on the outcome of the referendum, but maybe I was confusing you with someone else! Apologies.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Sway said:

Indeed, and you're absolutely correct when it comes to fear as a motivator.

I wonder what worry the Chancellor of the Exchequer caused when he said that Brexit would ruin our economy immediately, and that he'd be forced to call an emergency budget? He said it quite skillfully...

He did & it was a bigly fib. However, since we're comparing Gideon with Nigel (those pesky metropolitan elite type names again) it should be obvious to a fool in a hurry that only one of those two built their career appealing to the basest of base emotions.

[CaptainSlow]

alfie2244 said:

Disgraceful, just as bad as Farage's poster.