The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)
Discussion
Eddie Strohacker said:
Sway said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Sway said:
The irony is strong.
Here we have two posters. One who cries 'stuffed shirt' after actually typing 'ask me how I know this'. .
Wut? Here we have two posters. One who cries 'stuffed shirt' after actually typing 'ask me how I know this'. .
Eddie Strohacker said:
Some of this is true, but you are going to see rapidly rising transport costs post brexit. Feel free to ask me how I know this.
How's that shirt feeling now? You wouldn't have needed to ignore it if reversed, as apart from one poster, I don't use such arguments to further my position. I did originally call out that you were welcome to find any examples of name calling from my posts...
///ajd said:
Good work guys, got to love the playground ad homs - have you noticed none of you seem to have the balls to discuss the economics of Brexit & the food price issue? The irony is sweet. The blind trust in the experts at DEFRA withholding the FOI request is quite touching. Experts that are keeping the bad news away are clearly OK.
And still defending the bus. Boris knew his audience. Great stuff!
Like the boy who cried wolf, I doubt anyone reads the links you post any longer . You've become an hilarious propagandist posting daily doom links with the hope that if you just post a few hundred or so, you'll maybe be able to come back on one and say you were right. Don't take it personally, its just that no one takes you seriously. Except maybe Eddie. And still defending the bus. Boris knew his audience. Great stuff!
Sway said:
From my perspective, I'm merely pointing out the irony of someone calling out 'stuffed shirt' and 'po faced' behaviour when they have provided such memorable examples.
You wouldn't have needed to ignore it if reversed, as apart from one poster, I don't use such arguments to further my position. I did originally call out that you were welcome to find any examples of name calling from my posts...
Dredging up a wholly unrelated quote, memorable (to you) or not from three months ago does rather suggest a Deptford level of world class grudge bearing & some might infer inner characteristics from that kind of behaviour.You wouldn't have needed to ignore it if reversed, as apart from one poster, I don't use such arguments to further my position. I did originally call out that you were welcome to find any examples of name calling from my posts...
Oh & in passing, I own a long established logistics business, so I could easily have told you how I know, had it occurred to you to ask. But it didn't, so never mind.
But, probably still best not to declaim one is above Ad hominem attacks & in the very next sentence tell someone they have no balls. Even with a highly selective dictionary, people are likely to pick up on the absurdity of it all.
Eddie Strohacker said:
does rather suggest a Deptford level of world class grudge bearing.
I'm not sure grudge is the correct word. Its more a sport in mocking ///ajd, but also yourself. Like I said the other day, most remainers can have perfectly reasonable lines of argument on various parts of Brexit , on which anyone can join in and debate. What is anyone really meant to do or take seriously about the hundred plus 'I think Brexit is doomed' articles that ///ajd posts and then expects a discussion on ?
I think calling him the Don4L of remain was quite apt. Both are hilariously unbalanced and fear having a give and take style of debating in which you can appear reasonable and argue something on balance as being better. Both also being a bit of an embarrassment to either side.
JagLover said:
Breadvan72 said:
Ja He makes life in London or elsewhere even more grim than it was under Cromwell. Contrast Hayek, who once quipped, only half jokingly, that the only two things that the State should pay for are a police force and an opera house. He sort of had a point.
Not at all, for those who like it, particularly the young, I am sure London is a fine place to live. Just don't assume everyone wants to live there or in a replica. the fact that over 1/2 million Brits leave it every decade should give you a clue on thatEdited by JagLover on Tuesday 26th September 09:20
I have not suggested replicating London. Towns, villages, and empty countryside places are fab, as well as cities, and cities have many downsides. I am suggesting that it might be a good idea to spread affluence and the benefits that come with affluence, including enlightened thought and behaviour. This does not mean one culture or one viewpoint. Your apparent (or feigned) inability to grasp this simple point could almost make me speculate that you might be, I dunno, a Brexiteer or something, but that might be harsh.
Breadvan72 said:
I live in Islington...
No way! I am very surprised 
Roman Rhodes said:
...Not liking affluent and enlightened seems weird....
"Affluent and enlightened" isn't a single size fits all, one flavour affair.There are many "affluent" types who I would cross the street to avoid. Equally there are those who feel they are "enlightened" but whose definition of the word is very different to mine.
London is far from exclusively "good" "affluent and enlightened". And I speak as someone who loves the city and lived in it in various places for nigh on 15yrs.
CaptainSlow said:
Roman Rhodes said:
alfie2244 said:
don'tbesilly said:
alfie2244 said:
CaptainSlow said:
Slasher doesn't let fact get in the way of his b
ks.
Do we actually know for certain Slasher is a man?ks.ks?1) He was pro-Remain.
2) The Leave negotiations don't appear to be going that swimmingly.
3) Posting up articles that support position 1 and demonstrate point 2 seems consistent.
He won't always be right - no-one is - but I struggle to see why you and others have such a big problem with him.
Murph7355 said:
"Affluent and enlightened" isn't a single size fits all, one flavour affair.
There are many "affluent" types who I would cross the street to avoid. Equally there are those who feel they are "enlightened" but whose definition of the word is very different to mine.
London is far from exclusively "good" "affluent and enlightened". And I speak as someone who loves the city and lived in it in various places for nigh on 15yrs.
London is huge and has lots of grot as well as lots of good. Tell us how you see enlightenment? There are many "affluent" types who I would cross the street to avoid. Equally there are those who feel they are "enlightened" but whose definition of the word is very different to mine.
London is far from exclusively "good" "affluent and enlightened". And I speak as someone who loves the city and lived in it in various places for nigh on 15yrs.
PS: I am about to get booted out of Islington to make room for more investment bankers. Hey, they have needs too. I am taking refuge in Belsize Park, which is currently quite a lot like east coast America pre-Trump, although there are some quite posh Poles there as well.
Sway said:
///ajd said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Sway said:
No ad homs here...
You didn't have the balls
This is not how denying ad hominem works.You didn't have the balls
We're working with some pretty sharp tools here, be careful.
Here we have two posters. One who cries 'stuffed shirt' after actually typing 'ask me how I know this'. Another who implies stupidity whilst having been unable to rebut logic and verifiable facts (instead relying on an article full of 'Unite claims'), and has also shown such intellect as 'if we sign a FTA with a country the EU doesn't have one with, we can't get a FTA with the EU'.
Absolutely hilarious.
Keep digging.
Tell me again how this government are suppressing a report that says things will be better/cheaper post brexit, as they don't need such good news of course and it will affect the barnier negotiation badly if we let on to the EU that we'll be better off.
Of course, if the report does report cheaper prices coupled with massive impact on UK farming, that is also an avenue to discuss - would we then subsidise or have our own tariffs? We pay either way when you think about it, or we through domestic farming to the wall, or survival of the fittest. Would a NZ model work in the UK - any farming unions welcoming that?
Eddie Strohacker said:
Sway said:
From my perspective, I'm merely pointing out the irony of someone calling out 'stuffed shirt' and 'po faced' behaviour when they have provided such memorable examples.
You wouldn't have needed to ignore it if reversed, as apart from one poster, I don't use such arguments to further my position. I did originally call out that you were welcome to find any examples of name calling from my posts...
Dredging up a wholly unrelated quote, memorable (to you) or not from three months ago does rather suggest a Deptford level of world class grudge bearing & some might infer inner characteristics from that kind of behaviour.You wouldn't have needed to ignore it if reversed, as apart from one poster, I don't use such arguments to further my position. I did originally call out that you were welcome to find any examples of name calling from my posts...
Oh & in passing, I own a long established logistics business, so I could easily have told you how I know, had it occurred to you to ask. But it didn't, so never mind.
But, probably still best not to declaim one is above Ad hominem attacks & in the very next sentence tell someone they have no balls. Even with a highly selective dictionary, people are likely to pick up on the absurdity of it all.
As already posted, no grudge, merely amusement at the irony. There's only one poster I have a grudge against - I don't respond or interact with that individual at all.
Oh, and again for clarity - I didn't say ajd had no balls. I said that he didn't have the balls to refute my argument until he had a spurious article full of Unite the Union 'claims'...
Sway said:
Do you want me to quote the posts where I did ask, then you chest puffingly pointed out your job, prior to showing that your assertions were only based in the very small element of a logistics chain that is road haulage?
Yes. yes, I clearly want you to do that, to resurrect posts from July because it grates so much on you.. 
Talk about a tin ear.
Edited by Eddie Strohacker on Tuesday 26th September 11:27
This is pretty awesome - intense debate about the debate, with minute focus on the parameters of the parameters.
Best bits -
"You have insulted me in the following manner".
"No, I insulted you in the following manner. If I had been doing the other sort of insult, I would have said ..." etc.
"You kicked the man, not the ball."
"No, I kicked the cat, can't you see?"
... and so on.
Over to the Forest of Arden for a better version -
JAQUES
Can you nominate in order now the degrees of the lie?
TOUCHSTONE
O sir, we quarrel in print, by the book, as you have books for good manners.
I will name you the degrees: the first, “the retort courteous”; the second, “the quip modest”; the third, “the reply churlish”; the fourth, “the reproof valiant”; the fifth, “the countercheque quarrelsome”; the sixth, “the lie with circumstance”; the seventh, “the lie direct.”
All these you may avoid but the lie direct, and you may avoid that, too, with an “if.”
I knew when seven justices could not take up a quarrel, but when the parties were met themselves, one of them thought but of an “if,” as: “If you said so, then I said so.”
And they shook hands and swore brothers.
Your “if” is the only peacemaker: much virtue in “if.”
JAQUES
Is not this a rare fellow, my lord? He’s as good at anything and yet a fool.
DUKE SENIOR
He uses his folly like a stalking-horse, and under the presentation of that he shoots his wit.
(As You Like It, Act 5, Scene 4)
Best bits -
"You have insulted me in the following manner".
"No, I insulted you in the following manner. If I had been doing the other sort of insult, I would have said ..." etc.
"You kicked the man, not the ball."
"No, I kicked the cat, can't you see?"
... and so on.
Over to the Forest of Arden for a better version -
JAQUES
Can you nominate in order now the degrees of the lie?
TOUCHSTONE
O sir, we quarrel in print, by the book, as you have books for good manners.
I will name you the degrees: the first, “the retort courteous”; the second, “the quip modest”; the third, “the reply churlish”; the fourth, “the reproof valiant”; the fifth, “the countercheque quarrelsome”; the sixth, “the lie with circumstance”; the seventh, “the lie direct.”
All these you may avoid but the lie direct, and you may avoid that, too, with an “if.”
I knew when seven justices could not take up a quarrel, but when the parties were met themselves, one of them thought but of an “if,” as: “If you said so, then I said so.”
And they shook hands and swore brothers.
Your “if” is the only peacemaker: much virtue in “if.”
JAQUES
Is not this a rare fellow, my lord? He’s as good at anything and yet a fool.
DUKE SENIOR
He uses his folly like a stalking-horse, and under the presentation of that he shoots his wit.
(As You Like It, Act 5, Scene 4)
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 26th September 12:01
Breadvan72 said:
London is huge and has lots of grot as well as lots of good. Tell us how you see enlightenment?
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I'm not sure I've ever thought about a definition too hard, but it does strike me that it's a bit like "class" in that those who try and tell you they have lots of it probably don't....
The problem with dictionary definitions of it is that they are very subjective. Being able to draw sound logic conclusions from both history and experience would figure highly. As would tolerance of alternative view points. But there'll be many more facets to it dependent on context.
On those items alone I'm not that sure London is overflowing with it tbh.
Breadvan72 said:
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PS: I am about to get booted out of Islington to make room for more investment bankers. Hey, they have needs too. I am taking refuge in Belsize Park, which is currently quite a lot like east coast America pre-Trump, although there are some quite posh Poles there as well.
Sorry to hear you're being spurned. How are you being booted out? Presumably you rent?PS: I am about to get booted out of Islington to make room for more investment bankers. Hey, they have needs too. I am taking refuge in Belsize Park, which is currently quite a lot like east coast America pre-Trump, although there are some quite posh Poles there as well.
Like many Northerners IME, I was always a south of the river kinda guy.
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