Can PH solve the missing Honington airman?

[j80jpw]

How do they now know the bin weight was 100kg not 11?

I had assumed the Barton Mills site must have been a recycling centre then after sorting the landfill gets taken to Milton but it would appear Barton Mills is Landfill too so if the phone was tracked to BM what is the reason Milton is being searched? There seems to have been several bits of basic info withheld since the very beginning of this case which I find odd. It doesn't appear to be a murder case now so why withhold any info?

[saaby93]

j80jpw said:

How do they now know the bin weight was 100kg not 11?

I had assumed the Barton Mills site must have been a recycling centre then after sorting the landfill gets taken to Milton but it would appear Barton Mills is Landfill too so if the phone was tracked to BM what is the reason Milton is being searched? There seems to have been several bits of basic info withheld since the very beginning of this case which I find odd.

They haven't brought in a russian guy with a poison tipped umbrella yet

[FunkyNige]

j80jpw said:

How do they now know the bin weight was 100kg not 11?

I'm *guessing* they phoned the company that ran the bin lorries straight away and asked about the possibilty of the airman being in it, someone said it was only 11kg so the police ruled that out. At a later date the police decided to double check things, phoned up again, someone else looked up the weight on the records and said it was over 100kg, first guy got arrested for perverting the course of justice.

As I say that's a complete guess but sounds reasonable in my head...

[R8Steve]

Greendubber said:

I'm sure a bunch of people on a car forum know better.

To be fair, in this case, it would appear they do.

It was said about 4 months ago he was in the bin taken to the landfill site and the weight readings were wrong (either by mistake or manipulated).

Man walks into alley way with one way in and out but doesn't come back out, a bin lorry goes in and leaves and mans phone follows the route of the bin lorry. The man is no longer in the alley way. Where is the man?

Regardless what way you look at it, not at least checking the landfill site at that time based on that is pretty incompetent.

[saaby93]

FunkyNige said:

j80jpw said:

How do they now know the bin weight was 100kg not 11?

I'm *guessing* they phoned the company that ran the bin lorries straight away and asked about the possibility of the airman being in it, someone said it was only 11kg so the police ruled that out. At a later date the police decided to double check things, phoned up again, someone else looked up the weight on the records and said it was over 100kg, first guy got arrested for perverting the course of justice.

As I say that's a complete guess but sounds reasonable in my head...

If I'm reading the reports correctly they didn't actually weigh the Bin. It was part of a regular contract to take the stuff away. The alleged weight was probably just a number someone wrote on the form to complete it - make sure all the boxes were filled in.
However the amount of information being released is palpable possibly to avoid fingers being pointed.
As Columbo says, if you dont know the answer to something, keep asking until you do.

ETA or we're talking about two different bin trucks
One takes recyclables and has the phone, the other has non recyclable and goes to the second tip
One day the real story will appear

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 9th March 09:37

[Digger]

I haven't read the whole thread. I'm curious. At what stage in this particular case did the bin get weighed? Did the refuse lorry have the tech to weigh the bins prior to tipping, or was it a different method of collection?

[BigMacDaddy]

saaby93 said:

Would the phone have been treated as a recyclable while the body was only suitable for landfill?

That didn't get the appreciation it deserved

[anonymous-user]

Would a cadaver search dog be of use or is it to far gone?

[saaby93]

Trexthedinosaur said:

Would a cadaver search dog be of use or is it to far gone?

They keep telling us resource isnt an issue. Pokey sticks should be enough.
Can you imagine how much fun a dog would have?

[Greendubber]

Trexthedinosaur said:

Would a cadaver search dog be of use or is it to far gone?

It's be very useful.

[sugerbear]

R8Steve said:

Greendubber said:

I'm sure a bunch of people on a car forum know better.

To be fair, in this case, it would appear they do.

It was said about 4 months ago he was in the bin taken to the landfill site and the weight readings were wrong (either by mistake or manipulated).

Man walks into alley way with one way in and out but doesn't come back out, a bin lorry goes in and leaves and mans phone follows the route of the bin lorry. The man is no longer in the alley way. Where is the man?

Regardless what way you look at it, not at least checking the landfill site at that time based on that is pretty incompetent.

The alternative is that he dumped his phone in the bin, went over the wall (or through one of the doors) and awol. Much more likely than climbing into a bin for a sleep and then being picked up and crushed.

A good guess and the benefit of hindight doesn't make a forum better than the police and for everyone that guess correct there will be another 99 that got it wrong.

[R8Steve]

Greendubber said:

Trexthedinosaur said:

Would a cadaver search dog be of use or is it to far gone?

It's be very useful.

It would have been even more useful several months ago.

[saaby93]

sugerbear said:

The alternative is that he dumped his phone in the bin, went over the wall (or through one of the doors) and awol.

Still the Lucan option if the pokey sticks dont find anything

[R8Steve]

saaby93 said:

sugerbear said:

The alternative is that he dumped his phone in the bin, went over the wall (or through one of the doors) and awol.

Still the Lucan option if the pokey sticks dont find anything

Surely one of the other CCTV cameras would have captured him regardless what way he went, if you look at the diagram of the area there's not really a way to get out without being seen on one of them.

Presumably the police checked these seen as they discounted the bin lorry, then again...

[Greendubber]

R8Steve said:

Greendubber said:

Trexthedinosaur said:

Would a cadaver search dog be of use or is it to far gone?

It's be very useful.

It would have been even more useful several months ago.

Even though the refuse experts said he couldnt have been there.

Righty ho.

[SkrrSkrr]

Typical

[sugerbear]

R8Steve said:

Surely one of the other CCTV cameras would have captured him regardless what way he went, if you look at the diagram of the area there's not really a way to get out without being seen on one of them.

Presumably the police checked these seen as they discounted the bin lorry, then again...

Why should there be a CCTV? It isn't mandatory. There isn't a CCTV camera that looks directly into the horseshoe, just along the street.

Have a look at the pictures here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-39218... the ones further down show the bin and the horseshoe, it isn't a locked box mystery, you can go through doors or over walls/roofs to get out if you were fit enough. Maybe a blackhawk helicopter picked him up, maybe he uncovered a drain cover and went for a walk through the sewers of Bury St Edmunds, maybe he entered a property, locked himself in a cupboard and choked/had a heart attack.

You can see the horseshoe on streetview, loads of ways out that dont involve walking back the way he came (the properties that back onto the horseshoe were also searched in case he has entered one of those).

[saaby93]

The problem may have been that somone said that he wasnt seen on CCTV coming out of the horshoe
which was taken to mean he didnt come out
Rather than he wasnt seen on CCTV coming out

Didnt they later say that some of the CCTV scans back and forth and is time lapse?

Really I havent a clue whether the CCTV covers it or not

[R8Steve]

sugerbear said:

R8Steve said:

Surely one of the other CCTV cameras would have captured him regardless what way he went, if you look at the diagram of the area there's not really a way to get out without being seen on one of them.

Presumably the police checked these seen as they discounted the bin lorry, then again...

Why should there be a CCTV? It isn't mandatory. There isn't a CCTV camera that looks directly into the horseshoe, just along the street.

Have a look at the pictures here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-39218... the ones further down show the bin and the horseshoe, it isn't a locked box mystery, you can go through doors or over walls/roofs to get out if you were fit enough. Maybe a blackhawk helicopter picked him up, maybe he uncovered a drain cover and went for a walk through the sewers of Bury St Edmunds, maybe he entered a property, locked himself in a cupboard and choked/had a heart attack.

You can see the horseshoe on streetview, loads of ways out that dont involve walking back the way he came (the properties that back onto the horseshoe were also searched in case he has entered one of those).

I never said it was mandatory to have CCTV.

You say maybe he entered a property and locked himself in a cupboard, how long does it take to search the surrounding buildings? A day max?

He was seen entering where the bins are. He was not seen on any other CCTV in the area of which i have no doubt there are hundreds. A bin lorry entered and left taking his phone with it.

It has taken 6 months for common sense to prevail and work out that most likely he is at the landfill site.

6 months it has taken to come to this conclusion. Regardless what way you look at it that is a bit of a joke.

[crankedup]

Whichever way this is cut it was blindingly obvious to ordinary people what had occurred to the poor bloke. Even plod revealed that security cameras throughout the town and further afield had not captured any images of corrie after the last sighting by the 'horse shoe'.
Perhaps it was so obvious from the outset that convinced plod it couldn't be so simple. Why did they not interegate deeper regarding bin lorry weight. This is not hindsight, plenty of locals in the pubs and clubs were asking the same questions months ago. Looks appalling poor police work.