Can PH solve the missing Honington airman?
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FunkyNige said:
j80jpw said:
How do they now know the bin weight was 100kg not 11?
I'm *guessing* they phoned the company that ran the bin lorries straight away and asked about the possibilty of the airman being in it, someone said it was only 11kg so the police ruled that out. At a later date the police decided to double check things, phoned up again, someone else looked up the weight on the records and said it was over 100kg, first guy got arrested for perverting the course of justice.As I say that's a complete guess but sounds reasonable in my head...
Why the hell it took them 5 months to double check is the question.
R8Steve said:
sugerbear said:
R8Steve said:
Surely one of the other CCTV cameras would have captured him regardless what way he went, if you look at the diagram of the area there's not really a way to get out without being seen on one of them.
Presumably the police checked these seen as they discounted the bin lorry, then again...
Why should there be a CCTV? It isn't mandatory. There isn't a CCTV camera that looks directly into the horseshoe, just along the street. Presumably the police checked these seen as they discounted the bin lorry, then again...
Have a look at the pictures here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-39218... the ones further down show the bin and the horseshoe, it isn't a locked box mystery, you can go through doors or over walls/roofs to get out if you were fit enough. Maybe a blackhawk helicopter picked him up, maybe he uncovered a drain cover and went for a walk through the sewers of Bury St Edmunds, maybe he entered a property, locked himself in a cupboard and choked/had a heart attack.
You can see the horseshoe on streetview, loads of ways out that dont involve walking back the way he came (the properties that back onto the horseshoe were also searched in case he has entered one of those).
You say maybe he entered a property and locked himself in a cupboard, how long does it take to search the surrounding buildings? A day max?
He was seen entering where the bins are. He was not seen on any other CCTV in the area of which i have no doubt there are hundreds. A bin lorry entered and left taking his phone with it.
It has taken 6 months for common sense to prevail and work out that most likely he is at the landfill site.
6 months it has taken to come to this conclusion. Regardless what way you look at it that is a bit of a joke.
Say he there his phone into the bin with the intention of going awol, entered a building and went out the other side and then was picked up and and moved out of the country/country, the police will have just wasted x number of days searching a landfill site when he is on the other side of the country / world !!
There were still cars and people un-identified around the time of his disappearance.
I guess you will be applying to the CID so they can benefit from your awesome detective skills.
AWG said:
Just read this from the beginning and some interesting comments raised.
Has the RAF contributed much time and effort to the safe return of one of their own or made any statements?
Thats been one of the other great mysteries. Youd have thought they'd have been scouring the planet trying find a missing officerHas the RAF contributed much time and effort to the safe return of one of their own or made any statements?
Unless something is going on or known about which isnt being made public
saaby93 said:
Unless something is going on or known about which isnt being made public
I think this would be a good way to sum up this investigation in general.The police have known about things for a very long time but kept quiet (e.g. the dating profile), probably for a good reason.
There is the argument that searching the waste site is best left as a last resort - the ultimate aim is to find him safe and well. Irrespective of when you started looking at the waste site, it's always going to be a body search. It could be said searching for a less likely alternative with a better outcome would be a better idea.
Jakg said:
I think this would be a good way to sum up this investigation in general.
The police have known about things for a very long time but kept quiet (e.g. the dating profile), probably for a good reason.
There is the argument that searching the waste site is best left as a last resort - the ultimate aim is to find him safe and well. Irrespective of when you started looking at the waste site, it's always going to be a body search. It could be said searching for a less likely alternative with a better outcome would be a better idea.
Finding the body early may be the difference between being able to establish a cause of death or never being able to establish it. If they thought a body might be there, they would search there, not spend time hoping he would be alive somewhere else.The police have known about things for a very long time but kept quiet (e.g. the dating profile), probably for a good reason.
There is the argument that searching the waste site is best left as a last resort - the ultimate aim is to find him safe and well. Irrespective of when you started looking at the waste site, it's always going to be a body search. It could be said searching for a less likely alternative with a better outcome would be a better idea.
The entire first page of this thread is basically all about the bin lorry and the landfill sight. It really did look that simple.
For all the talk of going AWOL, or some master plan to disappear-he was a pissed up gunner who had spent part of the evening being ejected from a nightclub and passing out in a doorway.
Are we to imagine someone in this state has supposedly planned a lord lucan and avoided all CCTV whilst being paralytic?
For all the talk of going AWOL, or some master plan to disappear-he was a pissed up gunner who had spent part of the evening being ejected from a nightclub and passing out in a doorway.
Are we to imagine someone in this state has supposedly planned a lord lucan and avoided all CCTV whilst being paralytic?
saaby93 said:
AWG said:
Just read this from the beginning and some interesting comments raised.
Has the RAF contributed much time and effort to the safe return of one of their own or made any statements?
Thats been one of the other great mysteries. Youd have thought they'd have been scouring the planet trying find a missing officerHas the RAF contributed much time and effort to the safe return of one of their own or made any statements?
Unless something is going on or known about which isnt being made public
saaby93 said:
AWG said:
Just read this from the beginning and some interesting comments raised.
Has the RAF contributed much time and effort to the safe return of one of their own or made any statements?
Thats been one of the other great mysteries. Youd have thought they'd have been scouring the planet trying find a missing officerHas the RAF contributed much time and effort to the safe return of one of their own or made any statements?
Unless something is going on or known about which isnt being made public
Has he been posthumously promoted?
Disastrous said:
"But...but...the police know better than you and you don't understand all the info they are privy to...and...and something about hindsight even though it was foresight!!!!"
Ah but to be fair, I'm sure there is information not known by the public yet. Even though they're searching a landfill site it's not the one we thought it would be and most crucially, there is still no word on how exactly he happened to be there.If the police did suspect there were persons other involved in his disappearance then who knows if they'd done the right thing?
Even though I was one of those posters on the first page suggesting this, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until all the facts are released, never mind just finding a body.
ben_h100 said:
saaby93 said:
AWG said:
Just read this from the beginning and some interesting comments raised.
Has the RAF contributed much time and effort to the safe return of one of their own or made any statements?
Thats been one of the other great mysteries. Youd have thought they'd have been scouring the planet trying find a missing officerHas the RAF contributed much time and effort to the safe return of one of their own or made any statements?
Unless something is going on or known about which isnt being made public
Jakg said:
saaby93 said:
Unless something is going on or known about which isnt being made public
I think this would be a good way to sum up this investigation in general.The police have known about things for a very long time but kept quiet (e.g. the dating profile), probably for a good reason.
There is the argument that searching the waste site is best left as a last resort - the ultimate aim is to find him safe and well. Irrespective of when you started looking at the waste site, it's always going to be a body search. It could be said searching for a less likely alternative with a better outcome would be a better idea.
This case highlights the very poor police work regarding this case. The lead officer needs to be interviewed and her position questioned, likely will be promoted though.
I don't know all the details of the case, but for all of those saying it was obvious and they would have searched the landfill at the start - if the BBC report is right they'd have searched the wrong one and so not found the body and it'd have been just as "wrong" as what the police did do. Assuming he is where they are looking now.
Happened across this clip via a YouTube vortex from the McCann libel thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STxQ__woVlQ
Went out on TV in October 2007. 23 mins 30 secs in, ex-British coppers talking about bodies being left in wheelie bins, with an absolute need to secure any bins and landfill area.
:eyeroll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STxQ__woVlQ
Went out on TV in October 2007. 23 mins 30 secs in, ex-British coppers talking about bodies being left in wheelie bins, with an absolute need to secure any bins and landfill area.
:eyeroll:
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