Can PH solve the missing Honington airman?

[Greendubber]

How dare the police be fed poor information by someone about the weight of a bin and once that info is suspected to be inaccurate search the area anyway.

[crankedup]

eldar said:

crankedup said:

I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.

The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.

The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance they have thus wasted a million pounds with zero benefit
Compounding this they assured the family they would find Corries remains.
They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family, even though they are ONLY moral obligations.
Who decided that this case have been afforded 'special treatment' as you put it?

[Greendubber]

crankedup said:

eldar said:

crankedup said:

I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.

The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.

The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance they have thus wasted a million pounds with zero benefit
Compounding this they assured the family they would find Corries remains.
They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family, even though they are ONLY moral obligations.
Who decided that this case have been afforded 'special treatment' as you put it?

Where do you draw the line if no body is found and no further lines of enquiry are identified?

Search every square inch of the entire county on the off chance? Never going to happen

[crankedup]

Hainey said:

Based on some comments in this thread i've read up on the Police mishandling of the entire investigation and the hundreds of thousands of pounds they have wasted through sheer ineptitude.

Regardless of whether another penny is or isnt spent, I sincerely hope whatever inadequate is in charge is seen for what they are and demoted to a position where they aren't in charge of the station biros precurement without joint supervision, never mind a seven figure investigation ever again.

Suffolk Police really did fail that lad and his family.

This is one of the reasons I get so angry, the sheer incompetence displayed by the Police. Now compound it all by giving up, after assuring the family Corries body will be found.

[crankedup]

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

eldar said:

crankedup said:

I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.

The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.

The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance they have thus wasted a million pounds with zero benefit
Compounding this they assured the family they would find Corries remains.
They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family, even though they are ONLY moral obligations.
Who decided that this case have been afforded 'special treatment' as you put it?

Where do you draw the line if no body is found and no further lines of enquiry are identified?

Search every square inch of the entire county on the off chance? Never going to happen

Have you read the Police reports or followed the case?
The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area, again Police confirmations and announcements. The search call off is solely due to financial implication, which given the incompetence of the police throughout have only themselves to blame.

[Willhire89]

crankedup said:

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance

They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family

That simply isn't true - the outcome is because he is not there

I'd be quite happy for them to continue looking for him just as soon as they find Suzy Lamplugh, Keith Bennett and Claudia Lawrence who all very likely made absolutely no contribution to their demise unlike this idiot.

If you truly believe that there are no risks in getting absolutely hammered, catching a kip in a doorway (and then potentially in a skip) with the intention of walking the 9 miles back to base then I suggest you take a step back.

[Greendubber]

crankedup said:

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

eldar said:

crankedup said:

I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.

The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.

The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance they have thus wasted a million pounds with zero benefit
Compounding this they assured the family they would find Corries remains.
They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family, even though they are ONLY moral obligations.
Who decided that this case have been afforded 'special treatment' as you put it?

Where do you draw the line if no body is found and no further lines of enquiry are identified?

Search every square inch of the entire county on the off chance? Never going to happen

Have you read the Police reports or followed the case?
The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area, again Police confirmations and announcements. The search call off is solely due to financial implication, which given the incompetence of the police throughout have only themselves to blame.

Yes I have.

Did they give 100% assurance he was there?

Just because they suspected him to be there does not mean he is.

[Willhire89]

crankedup said:

The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area.

So - they have searched (not searching it is done) the 'correct' area of the tip and he's not there.

The fact he is not at the landfill is not the fault of the police.

[Greendubber]

Willhire89 said:

crankedup said:

The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area.

So - they have searched (not searching it is done) the 'correct' area of the tip and he's not there.

The fact he is not at the landfill is not the fault of the police.

Exactly.

Info suggests he might be there (after being told he couldn't have gone in the bin due to its weight) and they have now searched the area that waste was deposited.

Unless there are any other lines of enquiry what are they expected to do, throw darts at a map?

[Hainey]

crankedup said:

This is one of the reasons I get so angry, the sheer incompetence displayed by the Police. Now compound it all by giving up, after assuring the family Corries body will be found.

Totally agree with you. I don't want to get dragged into the debate on halting the expenditure as that will never be amicably agreed by all but I'll say this: consider the fortunes spent by Police investigating crime comitted by the underbelly of society upon its peers, namely serial criminal against serial criminal, no one seems to have any issue signing off into that black hole of expenditure of crims shooting crims or drug dealer one slicing up drug dealer two.

So why leave this lad to rot when we have not established it was death by misadventure (as the Police seem desperate to push for) and not murder or manslaughter?

That alone makes no sense to me.

[PurpleTurtle]

Greendubber said:

Willhire89 said:

crankedup said:

The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area.

So - they have searched (not searching it is done) the 'correct' area of the tip and he's not there.

The fact he is not at the landfill is not the fault of the police.

Exactly.

Info suggests he might be there (after being told he couldn't have gone in the bin due to its weight) and they have now searched the area that waste was deposited.

Unless there are any other lines of enquiry what are they expected to do, throw darts at a map?

It sounds laughable, but given some of the apparent missed opportunities in this investigation, one wonders if they have actually checked the internals of the bin lorry .... i.e. he went in it, but never came out, ergo is not in the landfill. Stranger things have happened!

[Willhire89]

Hainey said:

So why leave this lad to rot when we have not established it was death by misadventure (as the Police seem desperate to push for) and not murder or manslaughter?

That alone makes no sense to me.

....and the difference between this case and the Lamplugh/Bennett/Lawrence ones is....?

Why didn't they trace Mr Kipper?

Why has Saddleworth Moor not been removed?

[crankedup]

The search for Ben Needham is still ongoing, actively. This lad disappeared in 1991, Police budget seems to stretch in this case!

[crankedup]

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

eldar said:

crankedup said:

I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.

The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.

The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance they have thus wasted a million pounds with zero benefit
Compounding this they assured the family they would find Corries remains.
They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family, even though they are ONLY moral obligations.
Who decided that this case have been afforded 'special treatment' as you put it?

Where do you draw the line if no body is found and no further lines of enquiry are identified?

Search every square inch of the entire county on the off chance? Never going to happen

Have you read the Police reports or followed the case?
The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area, again Police confirmations and announcements. The search call off is solely due to financial implication, which given the incompetence of the police throughout have only themselves to blame.

Yes I have.

Did they give 100% assurance he was there?

Just because they suspected him to be there does not mean he is.

Not sure if you want me to quote thier words, however the Police did appear on local BBC television and announce that they are confident that Corries body is in the landfill. Suspicion that he is in landfill was never suggested, which is why the Police are taking such criticism over this case. They were confident of finding his body.

[Hainey]

Willhire89 said:

Hainey said:

So why leave this lad to rot when we have not established it was death by misadventure (as the Police seem desperate to push for) and not murder or manslaughter?

That alone makes no sense to me.

....and the difference between this case and the Lamplugh/Bennett/Lawrence ones is....?

Why didn't they trace Mr Kipper?

Why has Saddleworth Moor not been removed?

Stawman arguments based upon historic cases that unless we have a time machine cannot be changed. You deride from your position by pushing that angle.

This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.

I note however you also seem to have issues with Corries personal conduct, is that whats influencing your viewpoint? Do you not feel he is 'worthy' of not being left to rot amongst societies waste instead of being given a burial for the benefit of his family amd child?

[crankedup]

Willhire89 said:

crankedup said:

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance

They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family

That simply isn't true - the outcome is because he is not there

I'd be quite happy for them to continue looking for him just as soon as they find Suzy Lamplugh, Keith Bennett and Claudia Lawrence who all very likely made absolutely no contribution to their demise unlike this idiot.

If you truly believe that there are no risks in getting absolutely hammered, catching a kip in a doorway (and then potentially in a skip) with the intention of walking the 9 miles back to base then I suggest you take a step back.

Life is a risk, what do you do to eliminate that risk. Either live life and accept that people do daft things, like motor racing, mountaineering, sky diving, all of those that partake are idiots? Millions of people get drunk, it doesn't make them idiots, although they may act that way.

[Greendubber]

crankedup said:

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

eldar said:

crankedup said:

I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.

The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.

The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance they have thus wasted a million pounds with zero benefit
Compounding this they assured the family they would find Corries remains.
They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family, even though they are ONLY moral obligations.
Who decided that this case have been afforded 'special treatment' as you put it?

Where do you draw the line if no body is found and no further lines of enquiry are identified?

Search every square inch of the entire county on the off chance? Never going to happen

Have you read the Police reports or followed the case?
The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area, again Police confirmations and announcements. The search call off is solely due to financial implication, which given the incompetence of the police throughout have only themselves to blame.

Yes I have.

Did they give 100% assurance he was there?

Just because they suspected him to be there does not mean he is.

Not sure if you want me to quote thier words, however the Police did appear on local BBC television and announce that they are confident that Corries body is in the landfill. Suspicion that he is in landfill was never suggested, which is why the Police are taking such criticism over this case. They were confident of finding his body.

Confident is no guarantee though is it? Look at when someone commits a serious crime, the police say they are confident they will track down the offender's but it doesn't always happen.

They were confident his body could have been there so searched the site and he's not there, who's fault is that?

Either he has risen from the dead and walked off from the landfill or he wasn't there in the first place. There's no crystal ball with missing persons searches.

[Willhire89]

Hainey said:

Stawman arguments based upon historic cases that unless we have a time machine cannot be changed. You deride from your position by pushing that angle.

This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.

I note however you also seem to have issues with Corries personal conduct, is that whats influencing your viewpoint? Do you not feel he is 'worthy' of not being left to rot amongst societies waste instead of being given a burial for the benefit of his family amd child?

No - this now an historic case just like Claudia Lawrence and only should be active again if something new comes up to investigate. He has been missing ten months is not with the waste of the right period.

You have no more idea if he is 'being left to rot amongst societies waste' than I do

[Murph7355]

Hainey said:

...
This is not a historic case. It is very much a live one in the here and now.
...

How long did the searches go on for and what sort of money/resource was expended? (Plus, how much deficit/national debt were we carrying at the time...).

crankedup said:

Life is a risk, what do you do to eliminate that risk. Either live life and accept that people do daft things, like motor racing, mountaineering, sky diving, all of those that partake are idiots? Millions of people get drunk, it doesn't make them idiots, although they may act that way.

Not sleeping in bins?

I have a spare spade if you want it and the task is so straightforward.

[crankedup]

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

Greendubber said:

crankedup said:

eldar said:

crankedup said:

I would suggest the limits could be considered by the paying members of public suggest the time has come to stop the search. Let's not forget that these Police are getting paid wherever they may be spending the day at work.
As I have already mentioned, the police owe the family especially after announcing that they truly believed that Corrie would be found in the landfill.

The limits have been assessed by the voting members of the public - indirectly, certainly, via the electoral process. I don't see how one particular case should be given special treatment, possibly at the expense of other, equally deserving cases.

The family is lobbying, as is their unquestioned right, that they deserve an unlimited budget to continue the search. Others have the right to express an opinion that an such a budget is not justifiable. Someone has to decide when to stop searching.

Somebody has decided to stop the search, the outcome is that solely due to Police incompetance they have thus wasted a million pounds with zero benefit
Compounding this they assured the family they would find Corries remains.
They need to continue the search and fulfill thier obligations to the family, even though they are ONLY moral obligations.
Who decided that this case have been afforded 'special treatment' as you put it?

Where do you draw the line if no body is found and no further lines of enquiry are identified?

Search every square inch of the entire county on the off chance? Never going to happen

Have you read the Police reports or followed the case?
The Police have consistently announced publicly that Corries body is in landfill site. They have identified the area of the site and found waste that confirms the correct dateline and locations.
It's not a case of not knowing where the body is, by Police own announcements, they are searching the correct area, again Police confirmations and announcements. The search call off is solely due to financial implication, which given the incompetence of the police throughout have only themselves to blame.

Yes I have.

Did they give 100% assurance he was there?

Just because they suspected him to be there does not mean he is.

Not sure if you want me to quote thier words, however the Police did appear on local BBC television and announce that they are confident that Corries body is in the landfill. Suspicion that he is in landfill was never suggested, which is why the Police are taking such criticism over this case. They were confident of finding his body.

Confident is no guarantee though is it? Look at when someone commits a serious crime, the police say they are confident they will track down the offender's but it doesn't always happen.

They were confident his body could have been there so searched the site and he's not there, who's fault is that?

Either he has risen from the dead and walked off from the landfill or he wasn't there in the first place. There's no crystal ball with missing persons searches.

Oh please! you do sound like the officer in charge now searching for the inevitable excuses. If you had any idea of the history of this case you would not be choosing your field of debate.
Apart from your semantics we have some moral responsibility to the family, having built up thier hopes.