Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

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jcremonini

2,100 posts

168 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
jcremonini said:
SystemParanoia said:
hyphen said:
SystemParanoia said:
Or maybe I agree the world is better off without mr "no angel" but refuse to accept the police statement at face value
confused

Police Statement so far said:
During a pre-planned policing operation near to the M62 in Huddersfield, a police firearm was discharged and a man has died.

An immediate referral has been made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), who are in attendance in West Yorkshire, and West Yorkshire Police are fully co-operating with their investigation.
To show they're fully co-operating, they should:

Release the name of the officer(s) that fired the shot(s)
Tell us how many shots were fired
Tell us who was in operational command of the unit at the time of the killing
Are you for real ?

What a stunningly naive thing to suggest.
Without this in the open, they will just brush it under the rug, close ranks with each other and leave us with nothing.
But they are not allowed to reveal that information for two very good reasons. One is operational (and someone else has already given you an idea as to just why) and the other is procedural (in that the information is part of an investigation to be carried out by the IPCC - The I is for independent, btw)

Seriously - I have no idea who you are or what you do, but can you please go into a dark room and sit and think about things before you type anything more because, quite frankly, I cannot believe you are doing so at all judging by the nonsense you are spouting.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

199 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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TerryThomas said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
And what would "you" do with this information ?
He'd be able to solve the case of course!!
Im not in a position of influence or power...

But those that are can make sure if absolutely anything is not as it should be.. the officer(s) involved can be screwed to the wall.. instead of protected by anonymity behind the blue shield

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

100 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
WestyCarl said:
< snip> the operation was poorly planned.
A life has been taken. Therefore it was a poor plan.
It seems there's plenty of poor plans I'd like to see carried out then.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

199 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Jazzy Jag said:
Yeah because the scumbags mates wouldn't dream of popping round to check on him and his family...
rolleyes
At which point... they call call the police.
that's what they're there for rolleyes

Borroxs

20,911 posts

248 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Will be interesting to find out why he's been shot.

What do you do when the Police, without warning, force you to stop and then point their automatic weapons at you?

Raise your hands in surrender?
Shield your face instinctively?
Grab a gun from somewhere in the hope of winning a shootout with the cops?

I think, even if a career criminal, the third option is the least likely....

It will be interesting to see if there is a gun in his car. 'Intelligence' or not.

Digga

40,391 posts

284 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
TerryThomas said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
And what would "you" do with this information ?
He'd be able to solve the case of course!!
Im not in a position of influence or power...

But those that are can make sure if absolutely anything is not as it should be.. the officer(s) involved can be screwed to the wall.. instead of protected by anonymity behind the blue shield
You really are a little bit mental if you think that this raid - co-ordinated, pre-planned and involving numerous officers and several vehicles - is a rogue-cop-gone-bad on a spree.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
so it was a st plan.

a life has been taken that would not have been if they didn't let the work experience kid write and submit the operation proposal.

Wheres the punishment for failing to apply the 7p's

Proper, Prior, Planning, Prevents, Piss, Poor, Performance
It's a brilliant plan that has saved the tax payer money and removed a scumbag from the streets.

Jazzy Jag

3,437 posts

92 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Yeah because the scumbags mates wouldn't dream of popping round to check on him and his family...
rolleyes
At which point... they call call the police.
that's what they're there for rolleyes
rofl

You're a loon


Elroy Blue

8,690 posts

193 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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How about we just hang them from a lamppost and set fire to the corpse. Will that meet your requirement for 'justice'.


Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

168 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Borroxs said:
Will be interesting to find out why he's been shot.

What do you do when the Police, without warning, force you to stop and then point their automatic weapons at you?

Raise your hands in surrender?
Shield your face instinctively?
Grab a gun from somewhere in the hope of winning a shootout with the cops?

I think, even if a career criminal, the third option is the least likely....

It will be interesting to see if there is a gun in his car. 'Intelligence' or not.
I would expect that they wanted him alive, but he pulled a gun on the police, was asked to surrender, didn't and was shot. It would be far to much agro for them to just shoot suspects.

Thought it might have been vonhousen pulling the trigger on someone doing 75mph.

TerryThomas

1,228 posts

92 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
TerryThomas said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
And what would "you" do with this information ?
He'd be able to solve the case of course!!
Im not in a position of influence or power...
And I hope and pray you never are.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

100 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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TerryThomas said:
SystemParanoia said:
TerryThomas said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
And what would "you" do with this information ?
He'd be able to solve the case of course!!
Im not in a position of influence or power...
And I hope and pray you never are.
Why not - we all need a safe space.

TerryThomas

1,228 posts

92 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Yeah because the scumbags mates wouldn't dream of popping round to check on him and his family...
rolleyes
At which point... they call call the police.
that's what they're there for rolleyes
Just for clarity, you'd still be advocating this if it was your family involved?

Digga

40,391 posts

284 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Willy Nilly said:
Borroxs said:
Will be interesting to find out why he's been shot.

What do you do when the Police, without warning, force you to stop and then point their automatic weapons at you?

Raise your hands in surrender?
Shield your face instinctively?
Grab a gun from somewhere in the hope of winning a shootout with the cops?

I think, even if a career criminal, the third option is the least likely....

It will be interesting to see if there is a gun in his car. 'Intelligence' or not.
I would expect that they wanted him alive, but he pulled a gun on the police, was asked to surrender, didn't and was shot. It would be far to much agro for them to just shoot suspects.

Thought it might have been vonhousen pulling the trigger on someone doing 75mph.
And, to repeat, the others arrested also sustained injuries; i.e. put up a fight. It's pretty doubtful anyone there is an innocent member of the public, as opposed to some sort of petty criminal.

Koofler

616 posts

167 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Jazzy Jag said:
SystemParanoia said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Yeah because the scumbags mates wouldn't dream of popping round to check on him and his family...
rolleyes
At which point... they call call the police.
that's what they're there for rolleyes
rofl

You're a loon
Nah, just another SJW fkwit. Perhaps if we link him to a 9/11 thread he'll leave this one alone.

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
Im not in a position of influence or power...

But those that are can make sure if absolutely anything is not as it should be.. the officer(s) involved can be screwed to the wall.. instead of protected by anonymity behind the blue shield
If this was an assassination, it is not a very good one is it?

Lots of police took part in the operation, they will be from across the area i.e. any one of these strangers could testify against. There were multiple target cars with multiple occupants so lots of witness statements potentially biased in favour of the deceased in the press.

I'm sure if they wanted him dead, they could have done it on the quiet when it was only the deceased present and left no trace.



Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 3rd January 15:11

petop

2,142 posts

167 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Marvtec said:
From the pics it looks like the Merc E class is unmarked police, Audi and Scirocco drug dealers cars.

The Merc E class is GL10 XFE. Out of interest I tried to see which model it is as I didnt know the police used Mercs. However each way I've tried it says the reg doesnt exist?!?
Go on the UK Gov MOT website, it does exist and runs out Oct 17.



Sad actually i did that!!

Greendubber

13,234 posts

204 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Elroy Blue said:
How about we just hang them from a lamppost and set fire to the corpse. Will that meet your requirement for 'justice'.
I'm convinced his real name is Mike Hotel.

rxe

6,700 posts

104 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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OK, riddle me this.

It was a pre planned operation, so they knew quite a bit about the bad man. They knew where he was going, and what he was driving. So presumably the bad man could be nicked at a time of their choosing.

So they chose to nick him while he was driving a car at speed on a motorway. Safety first and all that.

No doubt it will be explained to us in great detail why he had to be arrested in the outside lane of a motorway doing 70, which is much more sensible than kicking him out of bed at 3 am.


hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Greendubber said:
SystemParanoia said:
WestyCarl said:
< snip> the operation was poorly planned.
A life has been taken. Therefore it was a poor plan.
Maybe you could pop down to the scene and tell them all how it should have been done then.
SP, earlier:



Greendubber said:
Take off your bacofoil hat you complete and utter fist.
Quite.