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There are only two notifiable offence relating specifically to air weapons - the unlawful sale of, and carrying in public - loaded or unloaded. Any crimes involving the use of an air gun eg damage or assault would be recorded under that crime type - hence not many specific air weapon offences are recorded
mickmcpaddy said:
fblm said:
mickmcpaddy said:
I stated in another thread I was happy to drive round without an expired MOT for 6 months because there was zero chance of getting a pull and I was right, twice. No police you see.
You personally drove round with no MOT of 6 months?La Liga said:
here does it say they've dropped to zero?
The last 2 data points show 'all' and 'non-air' offences at the same level, roughly 5000, which implies there are no air gun offences recorded any more, down from 10,000 a decade ago. It seems improbable to me that the number of offences is zero, do you agree? That implies either the offences are no longer being recorded or the statistics have been manipulated. I prefer the former as an explanation but that still calls into question the validity of using the data to infer anything of value.fblm said:
La Liga said:
here does it say they've dropped to zero?
The last 2 data points show 'all' and 'non-air' offences at the same level, roughly 5000, which implies there are no air gun offences recorded any more, down from 10,000 a decade ago. It seems improbable to me that the number of offences is zero, do you agree? That implies either the offences are no longer being recorded or the statistics have been manipulated. I prefer the former as an explanation but that still calls into question the validity of using the data to infer anything of value.fblm said:
The last 2 data points show 'all' and 'non-air' offences at the same level, roughly 5000, which implies there are no air gun offences recorded any more, down from 10,000 a decade ago. It seems improbable to me that the number of offences is zero, do you agree? That implies either the offences are no longer being recorded or the statistics have been manipulated. I prefer the former as an explanation but that still calls into question the validity of using the data to infer anything of value.
I see what you mean. The full document here is: http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...Bigends said:
There are only two notifiable offence relating specifically to air weapons - the unlawful sale of, and carrying in public - loaded or unloaded. Any crimes involving the use of an air gun eg damage or assault would be recorded under that crime type - hence not many specific air weapon offences are recorded
The data drills down into those crime types, probably using the flags you allude to etc. La Liga said:
fblm said:
The last 2 data points show 'all' and 'non-air' offences at the same level, roughly 5000, which implies there are no air gun offences recorded any more, down from 10,000 a decade ago. It seems improbable to me that the number of offences is zero, do you agree? That implies either the offences are no longer being recorded or the statistics have been manipulated. I prefer the former as an explanation but that still calls into question the validity of using the data to infer anything of value.
I see what you mean. The full document here is: http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...Bigends said:
There are only two notifiable offence relating specifically to air weapons - the unlawful sale of, and carrying in public - loaded or unloaded. Any crimes involving the use of an air gun eg damage or assault would be recorded under that crime type - hence not many specific air weapon offences are recorded
The data drills down into those crime types, probably using the flags you allude to etc. Most of the guns I've recovered over the last few years have looked like something Jack Sparrow would carry with awful home made rounds. Decent firearms are rare but not unheard of though, we had a nearly new Glock 21 a few weeks ago, a couple of Mac 10's and one Chinese AK47 but mostly its reactivated antique stuff in general circulation.
They're obviously out there but the local yardies are stupid enough to get caught with the antique stuff, the blokes with the Mac 10's are too a bit more clever and not waving them about in night clubs so go under the radar a bit more.
Worrying times really.
They're obviously out there but the local yardies are stupid enough to get caught with the antique stuff, the blokes with the Mac 10's are too a bit more clever and not waving them about in night clubs so go under the radar a bit more.
Worrying times really.
La Liga said:
Whenever I am on the look out for a secondhand bargain, I often find the conversation turns to how the dealer can not only offer competitive finance packages and gap insurance, but how they'll additionally conspire to murder someone if I want to 'get my own back' on someone.
Ludicrous as it sounds, it does happen - though rarely - usually with both getting caught.
.Greendubber said:
Most of the guns I've recovered over the last few years have looked like something Jack Sparrow would carry with awful home made rounds. Decent firearms are rare but not unheard of though, we had a nearly new Glock 21 a few weeks ago, a couple of Mac 10's and one Chinese AK47 but mostly its reactivated antique stuff in general circulation.
They're obviously out there but the local yardies are stupid enough to get caught with the antique stuff, the blokes with the Mac 10's are too a bit more clever and not waving them about in night clubs so go under the radar a bit more.
Worrying times really.
A year or so ago, we were all terrified in our beds by the promise of 3D printed guns. I've heard nothing since so I guess I can emerge from under the duvet.They're obviously out there but the local yardies are stupid enough to get caught with the antique stuff, the blokes with the Mac 10's are too a bit more clever and not waving them about in night clubs so go under the radar a bit more.
Worrying times really.
Do you know if any have actually been found?
eldar said:
Greendubber said:
Most of the guns I've recovered over the last few years have looked like something Jack Sparrow would carry with awful home made rounds. Decent firearms are rare but not unheard of though, we had a nearly new Glock 21 a few weeks ago, a couple of Mac 10's and one Chinese AK47 but mostly its reactivated antique stuff in general circulation.
They're obviously out there but the local yardies are stupid enough to get caught with the antique stuff, the blokes with the Mac 10's are too a bit more clever and not waving them about in night clubs so go under the radar a bit more.
Worrying times really.
A year or so ago, we were all terrified in our beds by the promise of 3D printed guns. I've heard nothing since so I guess I can emerge from under the duvet.They're obviously out there but the local yardies are stupid enough to get caught with the antique stuff, the blokes with the Mac 10's are too a bit more clever and not waving them about in night clubs so go under the radar a bit more.
Worrying times really.
Do you know if any have actually been found?
As far as I know, 3d printing wouldn't be able to do you a chamber and barrel capable of coping with the high pressure modern ammunition create, also there's that ever so tricky problem of the ammunition itself ?
Or can we 3d print steel barrels and lead bullets now oh and propellant, primers etc?
All things considered even one of Greendubbers 'Jack Sparrow specials' might be preferable to something printed in plastic that's as likely to blow you hand off, still each to their own.
Or can we 3d print steel barrels and lead bullets now oh and propellant, primers etc?
All things considered even one of Greendubbers 'Jack Sparrow specials' might be preferable to something printed in plastic that's as likely to blow you hand off, still each to their own.
techguyone said:
As far as I know, 3d printing wouldn't be able to do you a chamber and barrel capable of coping with the high pressure modern ammunition create, also there's that ever so tricky problem of the ammunition itself ?
Or can we 3d print steel barrels and lead bullets now oh and propellant, primers etc?
All things considered even one of Greendubbers 'Jack Sparrow specials' might be preferable to something printed in plastic that's as likely to blow you hand off, still each to their own.
Been done, it appears!Or can we 3d print steel barrels and lead bullets now oh and propellant, primers etc?
All things considered even one of Greendubbers 'Jack Sparrow specials' might be preferable to something printed in plastic that's as likely to blow you hand off, still each to their own.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2242...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printed_firearms
mickmcpaddy said:
Yep, its quite a clever money saving tip, only MOTd it this time as I had to tax it.
mickmcpaddy said:
There is always a way to make that money back anyway, me, I decided to get 18 months out of 2 MOTs, quite easy these days due to there being no coppers around. £50 back so far, £50 to go. Years ago I got fined £40? for no seatbelt, I walked to the shops and back for a year instead of driving until I thought I'd saved £40 in fuel.
Yeah, that showed the establishment.yonex said:
mickmcpaddy said:
Yep, its quite a clever money saving tip, only MOTd it this time as I had to tax it.
mickmcpaddy said:
There is always a way to make that money back anyway, me, I decided to get 18 months out of 2 MOTs, quite easy these days due to there being no coppers around. £50 back so far, £50 to go. Years ago I got fined £40? for no seatbelt, I walked to the shops and back for a year instead of driving until I thought I'd saved £40 in fuel.
Yeah, that showed the establishment.mickmcpaddy said:
yonex said:
mickmcpaddy said:
Yep, its quite a clever money saving tip, only MOTd it this time as I had to tax it.
mickmcpaddy said:
There is always a way to make that money back anyway, me, I decided to get 18 months out of 2 MOTs, quite easy these days due to there being no coppers around. £50 back so far, £50 to go. Years ago I got fined £40? for no seatbelt, I walked to the shops and back for a year instead of driving until I thought I'd saved £40 in fuel.
Yeah, that showed the establishment.
YOUR THE MAN You were saying
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4193020/Fo...
I used to drive through there when I did some work in Abersoch and occasionally drop someone off there, its the quietest area I have ever seen, there's about 8 houses in it and yet a teenager is blasted to death in the pub car park.
I have seen half a dozen similar stories this weekend both local to me and national, now that doesn't send the message that guns are hard to get hold of.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4193020/Fo...
I used to drive through there when I did some work in Abersoch and occasionally drop someone off there, its the quietest area I have ever seen, there's about 8 houses in it and yet a teenager is blasted to death in the pub car park.
I have seen half a dozen similar stories this weekend both local to me and national, now that doesn't send the message that guns are hard to get hold of.
This'll probably be beyond you, given you're someone who'll walk to a shop to 'get back' £40 you were fined for not wearing a seatbelt, but just because there is gun crime doesn't mean guns are easy to get hold of.
That's like saying plane crashes are regular because you can find stories of plane crashes.
That's like saying plane crashes are regular because you can find stories of plane crashes.
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