Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation
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Countdown said:
techguyone said:
suppressor... no such thing as a silencer, it's a Hollywood make up item.
Same thing apparentlyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)
popeyewhite said:
Countdown said:
techguyone said:
suppressor... no such thing as a silencer, it's a Hollywood make up item.
Same thing apparentlyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)
popeyewhite said:
Countdown said:
techguyone said:
suppressor... no such thing as a silencer, it's a Hollywood make up item.
Same thing apparentlyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)
Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
Shakermaker said:
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.
Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
This is PH. Doesn't everybody know a few "faces" down the boozer or a few lads who are a bit "tasty", know what I mean? <taps side of nose>Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
Shakermaker said:
popeyewhite said:
Countdown said:
techguyone said:
suppressor... no such thing as a silencer, it's a Hollywood make up item.
Same thing apparentlyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)
Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
Countdown said:
Shakermaker said:
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.
Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
This is PH. Doesn't everybody know a few "faces" down the boozer or a few lads who are a bit "tasty", know what I mean? <taps side of nose>Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
Countdown said:
Shakermaker said:
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.
Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
This is PH. Doesn't everybody know a few "faces" down the boozer or a few lads who are a bit "tasty", know what I mean? <taps side of nose>Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
Welcome to the layer cake, son.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire...
Other chap in the car convicted of conspiracy to shoot someone. And his dad still shouts his innocence.
Other chap in the car convicted of conspiracy to shoot someone. And his dad still shouts his innocence.
To be honest, I’m convinced the father knows far more than he’s alluding to. Yassar’s friend, Mr Amin, could quite easily have gone along with the dodgy car dealer story. But he didn’t, he admitted that Yassar was a drug dealer, and I can’t see what he had to gain by saying that, other than that he was telling the truth.
Countdown said:
This is PH. Doesn't everybody know a few "faces" down the boozer or a few lads who are a bit "tasty", know what I mean? <taps side of nose>
I understand your sarcasm. But the old 6 degrees of separation kicks in doesn't it.Personally I can think of a girl I know whose old man who works doors. One of his work colleagues has done time for something heavier than shoplifting. He'll have spent time with people even more nuts than him.
Another guy used to work with. Same story, Brother has done time. (GBH IIRC) So same connections
I know a guy who did 3 years for Class A possession, intent to supply.
All 3 of these people have left that all behind them (as far as I can tell) But if they bumped into their former inmates would at least get a "hello how are you" if they wanted.
Rich_W said:
I understand your sarcasm. But the old 6 degrees of separation kicks in doesn't it.
Personally I can think of a girl I know whose old man who works doors. One of his work colleagues has done time for something heavier than shoplifting. He'll have spent time with people even more nuts than him.
Another guy used to work with. Same story, Brother has done time. (GBH IIRC) So same connections
I know a guy who did 3 years for Class A possession, intent to supply.
All 3 of these people have left that all behind them (as far as I can tell) But if they bumped into their former inmates would at least get a "hello how are you" if they wanted.
I don't disagree. But (in the context of my original post) would any of them bother to argue that "there's no such thing as a Silencer, it's a SUPPRESSOR!!" ? Personally I can think of a girl I know whose old man who works doors. One of his work colleagues has done time for something heavier than shoplifting. He'll have spent time with people even more nuts than him.
Another guy used to work with. Same story, Brother has done time. (GBH IIRC) So same connections
I know a guy who did 3 years for Class A possession, intent to supply.
All 3 of these people have left that all behind them (as far as I can tell) But if they bumped into their former inmates would at least get a "hello how are you" if they wanted.
anonymous said:
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I’ve arrested/interviewed/charged (conservatively) over a thousand people during my time in the cops. That includes murderers, child abusers, “high level” drug dealers, shoplifters, “one punch killers”, those who’ve killed people behind the wheel, fraudsters, rapists, burglars, you name it, over 22 years, I’ve pretty much dealt with them all. The one “common factor” between the vast majority of them is how relatively “normal” they’ve been.I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...
It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
Dibble said:
I’ve arrested/interviewed/charged (conservatively) over a thousand people during my time in the cops. That includes murderers, child abusers, “high level” drug dealers, shoplifters, “one punch killers”, those who’ve killed people behind the wheel, fraudsters, rapists, burglars, you name it, over 22 years, I’ve pretty much dealt with them all. The one “common factor” between the vast majority of them is how relatively “normal” they’ve been.
I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...
It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
Really ?I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...
It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
The common denominator being how "normal" most offenders are ?
My experience (over 24 years) is that there are lots of "not normal" people out there.
People who really don't give a stuff about anything or anyone (other than themselves), show little to no remorse and whose only real intent is to look after themselves.
Obviously there are those who make an honest mistake/ error of judgement/ are driven to crime/ crime of passion, etc. etc.
But most people the police come into contact with are not, in my experience, normal.
Depends what your regard as normal, obvs
Red 4 said:
Dibble said:
I’ve arrested/interviewed/charged (conservatively) over a thousand people during my time in the cops. That includes murderers, child abusers, “high level” drug dealers, shoplifters, “one punch killers”, those who’ve killed people behind the wheel, fraudsters, rapists, burglars, you name it, over 22 years, I’ve pretty much dealt with them all. The one “common factor” between the vast majority of them is how relatively “normal” they’ve been.
I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...
It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
Really ?I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...
It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
The common denominator being how "normal" most offenders are ?
My experience (over 24 years) is that there are lots of "not normal" people out there.
People who really don't give a stuff about anything or anyone (other than themselves), show little to no remorse and whose only real intent is to look after themselves.
Obviously there are those who make an honest mistake/ error of judgement/ are driven to crime/ crime of passion, etc. etc.
But most people the police come into contact with are not, in my experience, normal.
Depends what your regard as normal, obvs
It was more an observation that most of them you wouldn’t look twice at in the street. Certainly the majority weren’t like the “super criminals” portrayed in TV dramas. Many were fairly inadequate, socially or otherwise.
I probably didn’t explain it very well in my post, but dealing with the “Mr Bigs” is a bit of a rarity (fortunately). But yes, there are a proportion who don’t care about anyone or anything apart from themselves, be that a DV offender or a crack addicted burglar (to an extent, the latter is a bit more “understandable”).
And my view of “normal” is probably a bit jaundiced after 22 years of it!
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