Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

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popeyewhite

20,054 posts

121 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Countdown said:
techguyone said:
suppressor... no such thing as a silencer, it's a Hollywood make up item.
Same thing apparently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)
The barrel that attaches to the end of a firearm is a noise/blast suppressor. It doesn't 'silence' anything, and it also effects blast and recoil.'Silencer' is for those with a head full of pulp fiction/spy novels. In fact some suppressors seem to barely effect the noise of the shot at all.

Countdown

40,049 posts

197 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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popeyewhite said:
Countdown said:
techguyone said:
suppressor... no such thing as a silencer, it's a Hollywood make up item.
Same thing apparently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)
The barrel that attaches to the end of a firearm is a noise/blast suppressor. It doesn't 'silence' anything, and it also effects blast and recoil.'Silencer' is for those with a head full of pulp fiction/spy novels. In fact some suppressors seem to barely effect the noise of the shot at all.
Tbh my understanding had always been that the silencer reduces the noise as opposed to completely eliminating it, which seems to be what you and Wiki are saying as well. Even in the movies and pulpy fiction they make a "Phtooey" sound.... bandit

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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popeyewhite said:
Countdown said:
techguyone said:
suppressor... no such thing as a silencer, it's a Hollywood make up item.
Same thing apparently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)
The barrel that attaches to the end of a firearm is a noise/blast suppressor. It doesn't 'silence' anything, and it also effects blast and recoil.'Silencer' is for those with a head full of pulp fiction/spy novels. In fact some suppressors seem to barely effect the noise of the shot at all.
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.

Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.

Countdown

40,049 posts

197 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Shakermaker said:
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.

Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
This is PH. Doesn't everybody know a few "faces" down the boozer or a few lads who are a bit "tasty", know what I mean? <taps side of nose>


Greendubber

13,243 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Shakermaker said:
popeyewhite said:
Countdown said:
techguyone said:
suppressor... no such thing as a silencer, it's a Hollywood make up item.
Same thing apparently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)
The barrel that attaches to the end of a firearm is a noise/blast suppressor. It doesn't 'silence' anything, and it also effects blast and recoil.'Silencer' is for those with a head full of pulp fiction/spy novels. In fact some suppressors seem to barely effect the noise of the shot at all.
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.

Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
This, unfortunately people cant help but let everyone know they know a bit about shooters I suppose. Shame everyone knew exactly what it meant anyway!

Digga

40,412 posts

284 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Countdown said:
Shakermaker said:
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.

Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
This is PH. Doesn't everybody know a few "faces" down the boozer or a few lads who are a bit "tasty", know what I mean? <taps side of nose>

I'll have you know I can get you a nice BSA air rifle, at a moment's notice... hehe

Smiler.

11,752 posts

231 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Countdown said:
Shakermaker said:
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.

Everyone knew what was meant when they said "silencer" and it is of no consequence to anyone talking about it whether it "silences" or "suppresses" the noise, because I don't expect any of us will find ourselves in the situation where it would ever matter.
This is PH. Doesn't everybody know a few "faces" down the boozer or a few lads who are a bit "tasty", know what I mean? <taps side of nose>

Of course.



Welcome to the layer cake, son.

hehe

popeyewhite

20,054 posts

121 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Shakermaker said:
Good to see that usual pedantry applies.

Some people just set a low bar I guess hehe

dudleybloke

19,912 posts

187 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Silencers are for wimps, real men use loudeners.

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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dudleybloke said:
Silencers are for wimps, real men use loudeners.
hehe From 'Power' Fiddy cents character gets pulled over and there is a 9mm in the back. 'That's not my gun. That's a pussy's gun'

Killer2005

19,667 posts

229 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire...

Other chap in the car convicted of conspiracy to shoot someone. And his dad still shouts his innocence.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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To be honest, I’m convinced the father knows far more than he’s alluding to. Yassar’s friend, Mr Amin, could quite easily have gone along with the dodgy car dealer story. But he didn’t, he admitted that Yassar was a drug dealer, and I can’t see what he had to gain by saying that, other than that he was telling the truth.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

213 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Countdown said:
This is PH. Doesn't everybody know a few "faces" down the boozer or a few lads who are a bit "tasty", know what I mean? <taps side of nose>

I understand your sarcasm. But the old 6 degrees of separation kicks in doesn't it.

Personally I can think of a girl I know whose old man who works doors. One of his work colleagues has done time for something heavier than shoplifting. He'll have spent time with people even more nuts than him.

Another guy used to work with. Same story, Brother has done time. (GBH IIRC) So same connections

I know a guy who did 3 years for Class A possession, intent to supply.


All 3 of these people have left that all behind them (as far as I can tell) But if they bumped into their former inmates would at least get a "hello how are you" if they wanted.


Countdown

40,049 posts

197 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Rich_W said:
I understand your sarcasm. But the old 6 degrees of separation kicks in doesn't it.

Personally I can think of a girl I know whose old man who works doors. One of his work colleagues has done time for something heavier than shoplifting. He'll have spent time with people even more nuts than him.

Another guy used to work with. Same story, Brother has done time. (GBH IIRC) So same connections

I know a guy who did 3 years for Class A possession, intent to supply.

All 3 of these people have left that all behind them (as far as I can tell) But if they bumped into their former inmates would at least get a "hello how are you" if they wanted.
I don't disagree. But (in the context of my original post) would any of them bother to argue that "there's no such thing as a Silencer, it's a SUPPRESSOR!!" ? biggrin

Sa Calobra

37,233 posts

212 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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String of nice cars, odd hours working and company one keeps.


Zad

12,710 posts

237 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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To be fair; private school, OxBridge and City? That's more a case of "oh which genocidal political dictator's son did you fag/work/pimp for?"

Dibble

12,939 posts

241 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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anonymous said:
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I’ve arrested/interviewed/charged (conservatively) over a thousand people during my time in the cops. That includes murderers, child abusers, “high level” drug dealers, shoplifters, “one punch killers”, those who’ve killed people behind the wheel, fraudsters, rapists, burglars, you name it, over 22 years, I’ve pretty much dealt with them all. The one “common factor” between the vast majority of them is how relatively “normal” they’ve been.

I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...

It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

245 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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anonymous said:
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With your alleged level of education, surely you’d know it’s boss’.

As you were.

Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Dibble said:
I’ve arrested/interviewed/charged (conservatively) over a thousand people during my time in the cops. That includes murderers, child abusers, “high level” drug dealers, shoplifters, “one punch killers”, those who’ve killed people behind the wheel, fraudsters, rapists, burglars, you name it, over 22 years, I’ve pretty much dealt with them all. The one “common factor” between the vast majority of them is how relatively “normal” they’ve been.

I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...

It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
Really ?

The common denominator being how "normal" most offenders are ?

My experience (over 24 years) is that there are lots of "not normal" people out there.
People who really don't give a stuff about anything or anyone (other than themselves), show little to no remorse and whose only real intent is to look after themselves.

Obviously there are those who make an honest mistake/ error of judgement/ are driven to crime/ crime of passion, etc. etc.
But most people the police come into contact with are not, in my experience, normal.
Depends what your regard as normal, obvs

Dibble

12,939 posts

241 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Red 4 said:
Dibble said:
I’ve arrested/interviewed/charged (conservatively) over a thousand people during my time in the cops. That includes murderers, child abusers, “high level” drug dealers, shoplifters, “one punch killers”, those who’ve killed people behind the wheel, fraudsters, rapists, burglars, you name it, over 22 years, I’ve pretty much dealt with them all. The one “common factor” between the vast majority of them is how relatively “normal” they’ve been.

I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...

It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
Really ?

The common denominator being how "normal" most offenders are ?

My experience (over 24 years) is that there are lots of "not normal" people out there.
People who really don't give a stuff about anything or anyone (other than themselves), show little to no remorse and whose only real intent is to look after themselves.

Obviously there are those who make an honest mistake/ error of judgement/ are driven to crime/ crime of passion, etc. etc.
But most people the police come into contact with are not, in my experience, normal.
Depends what your regard as normal, obvs
Normal as in “not exceptional”, apart from a few very weird ones. I’ve dealt with a lot of people who had the same day to day worries/concerns as most of us, but when an opportunity to commit a crime case their way, they didn’t have the same “barriers” as most people - so not normal in that way.

It was more an observation that most of them you wouldn’t look twice at in the street. Certainly the majority weren’t like the “super criminals” portrayed in TV dramas. Many were fairly inadequate, socially or otherwise.

I probably didn’t explain it very well in my post, but dealing with the “Mr Bigs” is a bit of a rarity (fortunately). But yes, there are a proportion who don’t care about anyone or anything apart from themselves, be that a DV offender or a crack addicted burglar (to an extent, the latter is a bit more “understandable”).

And my view of “normal” is probably a bit jaundiced after 22 years of it!