Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

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Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Dibble said:
And my view of “normal” is probably a bit jaundiced after 22 years of it!
There's your answer. Weirdo biggrin

Seriously though, I found it a bit strange sometimes interacting with "normal" people rather than the usual standard of clientelle.

Or maybe I'm a weido too. smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Alpinestars said:
anonymous said:
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With your alleged level of education, surely you’d know it’s boss’.

As you were.
I don't think there's an issue with 'boss's', is there?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/...

BBC said:
With singular nouns ending in double 's', as in your examples, Jeff, I think it is more normal to add apostrophe 's' ('s) because the spelling with apostrophe s then indicates the pronunciation required:

'The boss's secretary resigned.'
'The princess's diamonds were worth two million pounds.'
I mean the above in the interests of discussion as a part of trying to improve my average writing skills, as opposed forum pedantry.








Derek Smith

45,672 posts

249 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Dibble said:
anonymous said:
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I’ve arrested/interviewed/charged (conservatively) over a thousand people during my time in the cops. That includes murderers, child abusers, “high level” drug dealers, shoplifters, “one punch killers”, those who’ve killed people behind the wheel, fraudsters, rapists, burglars, you name it, over 22 years, I’ve pretty much dealt with them all. The one “common factor” between the vast majority of them is how relatively “normal” they’ve been.

I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...

It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
It was one of the things that surprised me. These offenders were often quite pleasant to chat to, often without side. I felt at times that I could trust them, outside of any investigation of course. There's no doubt in my mind that I'd rather sit next to them at a party than their briefs. I've only met one of the really bad ones you describe; the bloke who pulled the trigger in the Daily Mirror murder/payroll job in the 70s. Very scary. Everyone felt it. Thankfully, he's properly dead behind, below and above the eyes now. Those who live by the sword and all that.

We brought in a chap who'd been buggering his nephew for three or four years. The DS who interviewed him put his arm around his shoulder and walked him to the interview room. I was asked to bring tea. The bloke coughed before he sat down, a full and frank. All the DS had to do was shower afterwards. You'd have sat next to this bloke on a bus and maybe chatted to him without guessing what sort of bloke he was. Can't do that with some briefs though.


Dibble

12,938 posts

241 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Red 4 said:
Dibble said:
And my view of “normal” is probably a bit jaundiced after 22 years of it!
There's your answer. Weirdo biggrin

Seriously though, I found it a bit strange sometimes interacting with "normal" people rather than the usual standard of clientelle.

Or maybe I'm a weido too. smile
No, I get what you mean. It’s almost a “pleasure” to deal with someone (sadly, usually the victim of crime) who you wouldn’t mind chatting to and whose house you’d gladly accept a cup of tea in, rather than the usual “No, you’re ok thanks, I just had one before I got here...” and then “wiping your feet on the way out...”

Sadly, those people tend to be elderly and a bit lonely, so it never really feels like a chore chatting to them. When I was in uniform and out and about more, two or three became regular, if infrequent, brew stops.

Unfortunately, there are colleagues of mine who’ve taken that too far and ended up in “relationships”, usually with vulnerable victims who they have taken advantage of. The officers’ “best” outcome was getting sacked. A few ended up in prison for misconduct in public office and rightly so (a couple or three of the ones I know of who dodged prison should’ve ended up there too).

Sa Calobra

37,152 posts

212 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Derek Smith said:
Dibble said:
anonymous said:
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I’ve arrested/interviewed/charged (conservatively) over a thousand people during my time in the cops. That includes murderers, child abusers, “high level” drug dealers, shoplifters, “one punch killers”, those who’ve killed people behind the wheel, fraudsters, rapists, burglars, you name it, over 22 years, I’ve pretty much dealt with them all. The one “common factor” between the vast majority of them is how relatively “normal” they’ve been.

I’ve had to put my arm round the shoulders of all sorts of suspects, both literally and figuratively, in the custody office. Offenders really do come from every strata of society. The really “bad” ones are actually in a very small minority, but those are the ones who have actually scared me. The old “dead behind the eyes” thing, the real sociopaths. Many people “get into” crime through circumstance and there’s very often an element of “there but for the grace of god”...

It really is those few “outliers” who are the frightening ones. I guess most of us aren’t that far from someone who’s done something really unpleasant (in fact, one of my cousins was convicted of downloading indecent images of children).
It was one of the things that surprised me. These offenders were often quite pleasant to chat to, often without side. I felt at times that I could trust them, outside of any investigation of course. There's no doubt in my mind that I'd rather sit next to them at a party than their briefs. I've only met one of the really bad ones you describe; the bloke who pulled the trigger in the Daily Mirror murder/payroll job in the 70s. Very scary. Everyone felt it. Thankfully, he's properly dead behind, below and above the eyes now. Those who live by the sword and all that.

We brought in a chap who'd been buggering his nephew for three or four years. The DS who interviewed him put his arm around his shoulder and walked him to the interview room. I was asked to bring tea. The bloke coughed before he sat down, a full and frank. All the DS had to do was shower afterwards. You'd have sat next to this bloke on a bus and maybe chatted to him without guessing what sort of bloke he was. Can't do that with some briefs though.
I've interviewed a fella who was warm, friendly and forthcoming and the interview was way above my pay grade. I remember going home and for the first time thinking about my family and the job/safety of them. The only time that I've done that.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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18 years for the chap driving the car in which Yassar Yaqub was travelling.

pavarotti1980

4,900 posts

85 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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andrewparker said:
18 years for the chap driving the car in which Yassar Yaqub was travelling.
he was just the innocent party in all of this? Good family man etc etc

Of course the gun under his seat was nothing to do with him....

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Huddersfield Daily Examiner interviewed his dad on their Facebook page a week or so ago. He’s still maintaining his son was as legit as they come. When asked about the machete found in his sons room he said it was just an ‘ornament’. When asked about the body armour he said they had someone staying over at their house briefly and he must have left the body armour behind lol.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

245 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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BlackLabel said:
Huddersfield Daily Examiner interviewed his dad on their Facebook page a week or so ago. He’s still maintaining his son was as legit as they come. When asked about the machete found in his sons room he said it was just an ‘ornament’. When asked about the body armour he said they had someone staying over at their house briefly and he must have left the body armour behind lol.
What a wker.

Countdown

39,933 posts

197 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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BlackLabel said:
Huddersfield Daily Examiner interviewed his dad on their Facebook page a week or so ago. He’s still maintaining his son was as legit as they come. When asked about the machete found in his sons room he said it was just an ‘ornament’. When asked about the body armour he said they had someone staying over at their house briefly and he must have left the body armour behind lol.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but, given the CCTV cameras surrounding his house, and the company his son was keeping, and the machete, and the body armour, there comes a point when you have to accept that NOBODY can be that naive and/or deluded, there's really only one conclusion....

Alpinestars said:
What a wker.
When somebody is so clearly as dodgy AF why don't police or HMRC look closely at their declared earning and assets and start asking questions?

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Countdown said:
BlackLabel said:
Huddersfield Daily Examiner interviewed his dad on their Facebook page a week or so ago. He’s still maintaining his son was as legit as they come. When asked about the machete found in his sons room he said it was just an ‘ornament’. When asked about the body armour he said they had someone staying over at their house briefly and he must have left the body armour behind lol.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but, given the CCTV cameras surrounding his house, and the company his son was keeping, and the machete, and the body armour, there comes a point when you have to accept that NOBODY can be that naive and/or deluded, there's really only one conclusion....

Alpinestars said:
What a wker.
When somebody is so clearly as dodgy AF why don't police or HMRC look closely at their declared earning and assets and start asking questions?
Doesnt his father own a st load of property. You’d think they’d enquire.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

225 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Burwood said:
Countdown said:
BlackLabel said:
Huddersfield Daily Examiner interviewed his dad on their Facebook page a week or so ago. He’s still maintaining his son was as legit as they come. When asked about the machete found in his sons room he said it was just an ‘ornament’. When asked about the body armour he said they had someone staying over at their house briefly and he must have left the body armour behind lol.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but, given the CCTV cameras surrounding his house, and the company his son was keeping, and the machete, and the body armour, there comes a point when you have to accept that NOBODY can be that naive and/or deluded, there's really only one conclusion....

Alpinestars said:
What a wker.
When somebody is so clearly as dodgy AF why don't police or HMRC look closely at their declared earning and assets and start asking questions?
Doesnt his father own a st load of property. You’d think they’d enquire.
Yep, unexplained wealth order. Or perhaps proceeds of crime. Maybe it's because they don't want to upset the 'community'.

Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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You can imagine the wailing.

"They've murdered my son and now they are stealing my money".


Digga

40,334 posts

284 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Countdown said:
BlackLabel said:
Huddersfield Daily Examiner interviewed his dad on their Facebook page a week or so ago. He’s still maintaining his son was as legit as they come. When asked about the machete found in his sons room he said it was just an ‘ornament’. When asked about the body armour he said they had someone staying over at their house briefly and he must have left the body armour behind lol.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but, given the CCTV cameras surrounding his house, and the company his son was keeping, and the machete, and the body armour, there comes a point when you have to accept that NOBODY can be that naive and/or deluded, there's really only one conclusion....

Alpinestars said:
What a wker.
When somebody is so clearly as dodgy AF why don't police or HMRC look closely at their declared earning and assets and start asking questions?
I could not agree more with any of this.

Also, as others here say; why no investigation into the course of wealth? Of course, for all we know, that is running in parallel and is ongoing. Certainly HMRC are seldom backward in coming forward in such instances, if they can see a case.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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CAPP0

19,595 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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anonymous said:
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But did he get caught?

getmecoat

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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BlackLabel said:
Some really interesting points made in the article. I'm gonna watch the series. I suspect the pattern is repeated in a lot of places around the country. I know it's the same story in Shadwell in East London, for instance.

amusingduck

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9,397 posts

137 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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BlackLabel said:
Very interesting read clap

Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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The continued family denial is hilarious.

Huddersfield and it's scrotes are no different to anywhere else.

There's money to be made and a queue of scrotes willing to do the dirty work at street level.

Earthdweller

13,575 posts

127 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Gameface said:
The continued family denial is hilarious.

Huddersfield and it's scrotes are no different to anywhere else.

There's money to be made and a queue of scrotes willing to do the dirty work at street level.
I disagree

Places like Huddersfield, Bradford, Burnley, Blackburn and Oldham have very real social and economic problems, divided communities and cultural issues that are very complex and not found in most parts of the UK