Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation

[Freds]

MarshPhantom said:

Freds said:

Mr Snrub said:

But he was a lovely guy who would do anything for his friends and family

Previous for attempted murder, good riddance I say.

Read the details? It would appear Hussain had been incorrectly identified as one of the gunmen by a witness.

No smoke without 'fire'........

[spaximus]

The shot guy was no angel apparently and if you read some of the other things out there, he was tried for attempted murder in the past, so pretty safe to assume he was a bad guy. The previous report said he had fired shotguns at those he allegedly tried to kill, but the case was dismissed against him when the key witness was torn to shreds by the defence brief.

Now I am not paranoid in anyway and there is no way that our police go out to shoot people even if they bloody well deserve it and for anyone to suggest that this is the case is laughable. Especially with nothing more to go on than comments from friends who want justice?

I will let the police and investigators do their jobs based on facts not the paranoid comments of people not there or party to any facts wanting to decide based on the internet. If the cop has done wrong then they will hang him out to the vultures, even if they find he or she acted correctly there will always be those who will doubt the outcome.

It is clear that gun culture in gangs has grown and shootings are now common place between opposing gangs,

[VolvoT5]

dieselgrunt said:

Yasser Yaqub, 28,
'Yasser was a loved man and a loyal friend. Nobody's perfect but he didn't deserve this'.
Another friend Leanne Astin wrote: 'You were no angel but you were still one of the good guys and did not deserve this'.

Whenever they say "he's no angel" it means he had a rap sheet as long as the wall of China

Even if that is true it doesn't justify shooting him dead... we don't have summary execution in this country (yet)... there would have to be a good reason behind it so it will be interesting to see what the full circumstances were whenever they are released.

I'm not sure their press release is worded very well because it makes it sound awfully like an assassination even though it clearly wasn't.

I find it quite frustrating when people jump to conclusions - some people here have already decided he was a scum bag, must have been up to no good and deserved what he go... and of course others calling the police a murder squad.

[SystemParanoia]

VolvoT5 said:

I find it quite frustrating when people jump to conclusions - some people here have already decided he was a scum bag, must have been up to no good and deserved what he go... and of course others calling the police a murder squad.

can we both be right ?

[AWG]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

This.

I think there is too much pressure on armed response these days and the threat of prolonged enquiries probably makes the officers think twice about pulling the trigger. I say just let them get on and do their job without the media blowing it all up and creating a story which to be frank is not even that interesting! Like it has been mentioned before hopefully another dealer off the streets... onto the next job

[VolvoT5]

Meridius said:

Man in question was involved in a shooting a few years ago but cleared

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news...

So how was he involved if he was he cleared? The article reads like the only evidence was 1 witness who then turned out to be unreliable.

Judge Marson said:

Mr Hussain was one of the least compelling witnesses that he had seen in 35 years.
“Having assessed the evidence I have come to the view that it is so dangerous that no jury properly directed could safely convict this man on these serious charges and I hope you understand why I have come to that view.”

Edited by VolvoT5 on Tuesday 3rd January 14:08

[hornetrider]

Munter said:

SystemParanoia said:

WestyCarl said:

< snip> the operation was poorly planned.

A life has been taken. Therefore it was a poor plan.

Nope.

Double nope. SP seems to be a bit of a bell.

[Digga]

VolvoT5 said:

Meridius said:

Man in question was involved in a shooting a few years ago but cleared

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news...

So how was he involved if he was he cleared? The article reads like the only evidence was 1 witness who then turned out to be unreliable.

[QUOTE]Judge Marson ruled Mr Hussain was one of the least compelling witnesses that he had seen in 35 years.

The judge can express an opinion, but even he cannot say whether the witness was actually telling the truth. It does happen that people get wrongly accused of fairly serious offences, but for them to then turn up in what appears to be another, very serious crime is statistically very unlikely. You can draw your own conclusions really.

Or, as I said, wait for the full facts to emerge.

[Goaty Bill 2]

Elroy Blue said:

SystemParanoia said:

so...

is the car going cheap then ?


also... assassination death squads.. great, welcome to china!

The reason I gave up being a firearms Officer was the thought a luniatic like you might be on an inquest jury.

A wise decision IMO Elroy.
It's a wonder that any officers are willing to take the risk.

TerryThomas said:

There's always one on every thread like this. Just ignore him.

Ignore maybe, but it's always useful to realise that there are people who will jump to these conclusions.

[SystemParanoia]

hornetrider said:

Munter said:

SystemParanoia said:

WestyCarl said:

< snip> the operation was poorly planned.

A life has been taken. Therefore it was a poor plan.

Nope.

Double nope. SP seems to be a bit of a bell.

Yes im a bell for valuing human life.. no-matter how unsavory

[jesusbuiltmycar]

SystemParanoia said:

so...

is the car going cheap then ?


also... assassination death squads.. great, welcome to chinathe Philippines!

Fixed that for you.

See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4083748/I-...

[Loyly]

SystemParanoia said:

so it was a st plan.

a life has been taken that would not have been if they didn't let the work experience kid write and submit the operation proposal.

Wheres the punishment for failing to apply the 7p's

Proper, Prior, Planning, Prevents, Piss, Poor, Performance

Have you read the operation proposal?

I didn't think so.

You know as much as the rest of us about this, which is next to nothing. However, the one thing I am absolutely certain of is that there was no pre-planned order to kill anyone. There never has been and there never will be. Force can only be used to effect and arrest or in self defence.

Thats why armed police stop the suspect's car and identify themselves, when any 'assassin' would shoot from a concealed position without exposing themselves to danger.

[don4l]

SystemParanoia said:

Yes im a bell for valuing human life.. no-matter how unsavory

Nope.

You are being criticised for jumping to conclusions before any of the facts have emerged.

[Terminator X]

Have the police ever been done for an unlawful killing in the UK? Best we wait for it all to come out before commenting ...

TX.

[Rude-boy]

Elroy Blue said:

SystemParanoia said:

so...

is the car going cheap then ?


also... assassination death squads.. great, welcome to china!

The reason I gave up being a firearms Officer was the thought a luniatic like you might be on an inquest jury.

The reason a relative of mine in the force is looking to go down the Traffic route in their career is because whilst Firearms would have been their preference (knowing a fair bit about them) there are too many idiots who seem to think that armed officers wander around with itchy trigger fingers just waiting for the excuse to put a round into some poor innocent passerby who just happens to be a very nasty piece of work. Added to that they were concerned that the knowledge of what they would have to go through once a round has been discharged on duty (regardless of the effect of that discharge) left them feeling that they could hesitate in doing so and therefore become another statistic...

[Elroy Blue]

SystemParanoia said:

Yes im a bell for valuing human life.. no-matter how unsavory

Except the lives of the Police Officers it would appear.

[Koofler]

SystemParanoia said:

Munter said:

Nope.

The plan worked fine. The car was stopped, and no police were injured by a guy that (probably) tried to attack them.

Tick off the checks and balances to make sure it's lawful and as expected. Then crack on with the next thing on the list.

Ahh I see, the police can do no wrong in your eyes.
everything they do is beyond reproach and should never be questioned...

IMHO all aspects of our government and their control measures they have to keep us "in line" should be questioned, and always under the horrible spotlight of retrospect

Thank fk most schools go back tomorrow. Then we can have an adult conversation about this.

[SystemParanoia]

Elroy Blue said:

SystemParanoia said:

Yes im a bell for valuing human life.. no-matter how unsavory

Except the lives of the Police Officers it would appear.

Not true, I had no argument with the shooting of the guys that killed the drummer army guy.

Koofler said:

Thank fk most schools go back tomorrow. Then we can have an adult conversation about this.

You dont believe the government, its departments and its quango's should be questioned and held to account for their actions and decisions ?

Edited by SystemParanoia on Tuesday 3rd January 14:20

[Koofler]

SystemParanoia said:

Koofler said:

SystemParanoia said:

Munter said:

Nope.

The plan worked fine. The car was stopped, and no police were injured by a guy that (probably) tried to attack them.

Tick off the checks and balances to make sure it's lawful and as expected. Then crack on with the next thing on the list.

Ahh I see, the police can do no wrong in your eyes.
everything they do is beyond reproach and should never be questioned...

IMHO all aspects of our government and their control measures they have to keep us "in line" should be questioned, and always under the horrible spotlight of retrospect

Thank fk most schools go back tomorrow. Then we can have an adult conversation about this.

You dont believe the government, its departments and its quango's should be questioned and held to account for their actions and decisions ?

Yes, but everything else you've posted is pre-pubescent drivel. Assassination squads? Tooled up? Filled with lead?

And tin foil hatters like you make it easier for REAL injustices to be covered up as you're making so much noise with your inane drivel.

[Elroy Blue]

SystemParanoia said:

Not true, I had no argument with the shooting of the guys that killed the drummer army guy.

You've directly accused the Police Officers involved in this incident of carrying out an 'assassination '

Do they wait to get injured or killed before firing just so you can have 'no argument'.

Edited by Elroy Blue on Tuesday 3rd January 14:54