Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
durbster said:
OK, I've had a quick look at yet another f
king awful website (why are anti-AGW websites always so bad!?).
In what way, in your opinion, are AGW theory questioning web sites so bad?king awful website (why are anti-AGW websites always so bad!?).Style, content, structure and features? What?
Might it be that the people involved are not backed by a large pile of cash and a full time professional role promoting ideologies on behalf of pressure groups and lobbyists?
Are you swayed by the projected image of the messenger as much as by the message?
turbobloke said:
robinessex said:
California votes to extend cap-and-trade climate law to 2030
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40640445
California legislators have voted to extend a law to cut carbon emissions, weeks after President Donald Trump said the US would withdraw from the Paris climate accord.
The policy, which requires firms to purchase permits to release pollutants, will be extended to the year 2030.
California Governor Jerry Brown said Republicans and Democrats had taken "courageous action" with the move.
The US state aims to cut greenhouse gases by 40% from 1990 levels by 2030.
"Tonight, California stood tall and once again, boldly confronted the existential threat of our time," Mr Brown said in a statement on Monday. "That's what good government looks like," he added........................continues
Perfect timing.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40640445
California legislators have voted to extend a law to cut carbon emissions, weeks after President Donald Trump said the US would withdraw from the Paris climate accord.
The policy, which requires firms to purchase permits to release pollutants, will be extended to the year 2030.
California Governor Jerry Brown said Republicans and Democrats had taken "courageous action" with the move.
The US state aims to cut greenhouse gases by 40% from 1990 levels by 2030.
"Tonight, California stood tall and once again, boldly confronted the existential threat of our time," Mr Brown said in a statement on Monday. "That's what good government looks like," he added........................continues
Reinhart 2017 conclusion said:
Therefore, demands for sequestering CO2 are unjustified and trading of CO2 certificates is an economic absurdity.
Anything else is what governance by delusion looks like - see under Brown, California.http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93795&page=1
Presumably modelling their power supply on the Southern Australian fiasco.
Ali G said:
turbobloke said:
robinessex said:
California votes to extend cap-and-trade climate law to 2030
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40640445
California legislators have voted to extend a law to cut carbon emissions, weeks after President Donald Trump said the US would withdraw from the Paris climate accord.
The policy, which requires firms to purchase permits to release pollutants, will be extended to the year 2030.
California Governor Jerry Brown said Republicans and Democrats had taken "courageous action" with the move.
The US state aims to cut greenhouse gases by 40% from 1990 levels by 2030.
"Tonight, California stood tall and once again, boldly confronted the existential threat of our time," Mr Brown said in a statement on Monday. "That's what good government looks like," he added........................continues
Perfect timing.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40640445
California legislators have voted to extend a law to cut carbon emissions, weeks after President Donald Trump said the US would withdraw from the Paris climate accord.
The policy, which requires firms to purchase permits to release pollutants, will be extended to the year 2030.
California Governor Jerry Brown said Republicans and Democrats had taken "courageous action" with the move.
The US state aims to cut greenhouse gases by 40% from 1990 levels by 2030.
"Tonight, California stood tall and once again, boldly confronted the existential threat of our time," Mr Brown said in a statement on Monday. "That's what good government looks like," he added........................continues
Reinhart 2017 conclusion said:
Therefore, demands for sequestering CO2 are unjustified and trading of CO2 certificates is an economic absurdity.
Anything else is what governance by delusion looks like - see under Brown, California.http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93795&page=1
Presumably modelling their power supply on the Southern Australian fiasco.
It's a name that has stuck in my memory and seems to describe much of its administrative effort remarkable accurately.
Clearly the place reckons it is so full of smart people who can solve problems that they have to keep creating problems for them to solve. Yet another activity at which they seem to have world leading ability.
Booker said:
Golly, what excitement there was over President Trump's refusal to
sign the G20 communique backing the Paris accord on climate change.
Trump was in a minority of one against all the other 19 governments
(plus the EU) which supported an agreement that the world must phase
out fossil fuels. We were even told that the US now stood alone
against all the other 195 countries that signed up to that non-binding
accord.
But, just as happened at the time of Paris itself, everyone completely
missed the real story. Before Paris, each of the 196 participating
countries, as I reported at the time (thanks to that expert analyst
Paul Homewood on his blog, notalotofpeopleknowthat. wordpress.com),
was asked to submit an Intended Nationally Determined Contribution
(INDC), setting out its energy plans for the years up to 2030.
All the major "developing" nations, led by China and India, paid lip
service to the conference's intentions, showing how they would be
investing in "renewables" such as wind and solar, so long as they were
generously subsidised to do so by the "developed" nations out of a
Green Climate Fund worth $100 billion a year.
But they then explained how, to keep their economies growing, they
planned to build huge numbers of new fossil fuel power stations, which
would lead to a massive increase in their CO2 emissions.
The only G20 countries left committed to CO2 reductions (by 1.7
billion tons) are now those in the EU plus Canada and Australia,
responsible for just 11.3 per cent of global emissions between them.
Most of the remaining 88.7 per cent is emitted by countries which plan
to increase them
Vive Paris!sign the G20 communique backing the Paris accord on climate change.
Trump was in a minority of one against all the other 19 governments
(plus the EU) which supported an agreement that the world must phase
out fossil fuels. We were even told that the US now stood alone
against all the other 195 countries that signed up to that non-binding
accord.
But, just as happened at the time of Paris itself, everyone completely
missed the real story. Before Paris, each of the 196 participating
countries, as I reported at the time (thanks to that expert analyst
Paul Homewood on his blog, notalotofpeopleknowthat. wordpress.com),
was asked to submit an Intended Nationally Determined Contribution
(INDC), setting out its energy plans for the years up to 2030.
All the major "developing" nations, led by China and India, paid lip
service to the conference's intentions, showing how they would be
investing in "renewables" such as wind and solar, so long as they were
generously subsidised to do so by the "developed" nations out of a
Green Climate Fund worth $100 billion a year.
But they then explained how, to keep their economies growing, they
planned to build huge numbers of new fossil fuel power stations, which
would lead to a massive increase in their CO2 emissions.
The only G20 countries left committed to CO2 reductions (by 1.7
billion tons) are now those in the EU plus Canada and Australia,
responsible for just 11.3 per cent of global emissions between them.
Most of the remaining 88.7 per cent is emitted by countries which plan
to increase them
The Hiatus: One Message For Politicians, Another For Scientists
https://www.thegwpf.com/the-hiatus-one-message-for...
https://www.thegwpf.com/the-hiatus-one-message-for...
Quotes of the day:-
“Most journalists and people working in the media are active or passive members of the green-socialist Climate Church and the new religion of the West’s post-Christian world. They act like all true believers, acknowledging only the dogmas that match their belief system. Everything that contradicts their faith is ignored.”
"Climate science may have advanced since the first weather satellite was launched — all the way back in 1960 — but it’s still in infancy. Hubris alone drives claims of infallibility."
All the likes of Durbster and Plunker and their beliefs will achieve is to leave millions around the world in degrading poverty.
Warmist SJW libtard put back in his box with cold logic:-
https://youtu.be/d6q5scaSaD4
“Most journalists and people working in the media are active or passive members of the green-socialist Climate Church and the new religion of the West’s post-Christian world. They act like all true believers, acknowledging only the dogmas that match their belief system. Everything that contradicts their faith is ignored.”
"Climate science may have advanced since the first weather satellite was launched — all the way back in 1960 — but it’s still in infancy. Hubris alone drives claims of infallibility."
All the likes of Durbster and Plunker and their beliefs will achieve is to leave millions around the world in degrading poverty.
Warmist SJW libtard put back in his box with cold logic:-
https://youtu.be/d6q5scaSaD4
Mr GrimNasty said:
Great quotes btw.That response to the questioner remnded me of Prof Deepak Lal and I suspect that the speaker has at least heard of Lal or had closer contact.
Prof Deepak Lal in his inaugural Julian Simon Lecture at the Liberty Institute in Delhi said:
Are environmentalists the new imperialists? The Green movement is a secular religion filling the void created in the West by the retreat of faith in traditional religions. Its aim, is to create a new 'white man's burden' and impose its values on the world. The former religious crusades for saving souls has given way to new green crusades for supposedly saving the planet. This new imperialism needs to be resisted, its claim is to save the environment, but its practical effect in many instances will be ruinous for poor countries.
Evidence free but gigo rich agw dogma is detrimental to the poor in developed countries also as pointed out by Labour peer Lord Donoughue in an article I've posted previously.LongQ said:
Years ago I read something where the author described California as "The Mad State of Insanity" .
It's a name that has stuck in my memory and seems to describe much of its administrative effort remarkable accurately.
Clearly the place reckons it is so full of smart people who can solve problems that they have to keep creating problems for them to solve. Yet another activity at which they seem to have world leading ability.
i reckon it is full of genetic defects due to the large amount of recreational drugs consumed by vast numbers of those that live there over several decades . the acid capital of the world i seem to remember someone telling me, it certainly shows.It's a name that has stuck in my memory and seems to describe much of its administrative effort remarkable accurately.
Clearly the place reckons it is so full of smart people who can solve problems that they have to keep creating problems for them to solve. Yet another activity at which they seem to have world leading ability.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Quotes of the day:-
“Most journalists and people working in the media are active or passive members of the green-socialist Climate Church and the new religion of the West’s post-Christian world. They act like all true believers, acknowledging only the dogmas that match their belief system. Everything that contradicts their faith is ignored.”
"Climate science may have advanced since the first weather satellite was launched — all the way back in 1960 — but it’s still in infancy. Hubris alone drives claims of infallibility."
All the likes of Durbster and Plunker and their beliefs will achieve is to leave millions around the world in degrading poverty.
Warmist SJW libtard put back in his box with cold logic:-
https://youtu.be/d6q5scaSaD4
thanks for the link, hadn't seen that before. smart bloke.“Most journalists and people working in the media are active or passive members of the green-socialist Climate Church and the new religion of the West’s post-Christian world. They act like all true believers, acknowledging only the dogmas that match their belief system. Everything that contradicts their faith is ignored.”
"Climate science may have advanced since the first weather satellite was launched — all the way back in 1960 — but it’s still in infancy. Hubris alone drives claims of infallibility."
All the likes of Durbster and Plunker and their beliefs will achieve is to leave millions around the world in degrading poverty.
Warmist SJW libtard put back in his box with cold logic:-
https://youtu.be/d6q5scaSaD4
http://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-bqc7k-298a6...
Really interesting interview by Delingpole of Chris Horner.
Durbster, Paddy, are your beliefs strong enough that you have the courage to listen to this in full?
Really interesting interview by Delingpole of Chris Horner.
Durbster, Paddy, are your beliefs strong enough that you have the courage to listen to this in full?
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
XM5ER said:
http://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-bqc7k-298a6...
Really interesting interview by Delingpole of Chris Horner.
Durbster, Paddy, are your beliefs strong enough that you have the courage to listen to this in full?
Courage ? What a bizarre notion. Really interesting interview by Delingpole of Chris Horner.
Durbster, Paddy, are your beliefs strong enough that you have the courage to listen to this in full?
Patience? no - I didn't.
As I have said frequently (thanks for not listening) - I couldn't give a jot about your closed doors biscuit club you all seem to find laughable in a simpleton kind of way. AGW / Climate change discussions here are futile - if I even had a view on the,
I've not posted anything here for sometime despite scan reading (groaning) regularly, simply because you've all learnt to stay away from a subject(s) you are called on for talking out of your a
holes on.Carry on.
Carry on...
XM5ER said:
http://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-bqc7k-298a6...
Really interesting interview by Delingpole of Chris Horner.
Durbster, Paddy, are your beliefs strong enough that you have the courage to listen to this in full?
According to Google, James Delingpole appears to be a Daily Mail outrage-for-hire writer. Who is Chris Horner, and why are the opinions of these two people on the subject worth listening to?Really interesting interview by Delingpole of Chris Horner.
Durbster, Paddy, are your beliefs strong enough that you have the courage to listen to this in full?
I'm not that interested in opinions to be honest. This thread has enough of those and look how accurate they are
durbster said:
XM5ER said:
http://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-bqc7k-298a6...
Really interesting interview by Delingpole of Chris Horner.
Durbster, Paddy, are your beliefs strong enough that you have the courage to listen to this in full?
According to Google, James Delingpole appears to be a Daily Mail outrage-for-hire writer. Who is Chris Horner, and why are the opinions of these two people on the subject worth listening to?Really interesting interview by Delingpole of Chris Horner.
Durbster, Paddy, are your beliefs strong enough that you have the courage to listen to this in full?
I'm not that interested in opinions to be honest. This thread has enough of those and look how accurate they are
Of course, you daren't...
You don't know who Dellers is? How very backward of you.
mybrainhurts said:
Go on, you really need to listen to that.
Of course, you daren't...
Daren't?Of course, you daren't...
From somebody who isn't brave enough to participate in this thread, but inexplicably hangs around to stay in with the gang, that's a plain strange accusation. What on Earth makes you think I would be afraid of somebody's opinion?
Christ, I listened to 9 hours of creationist podcasting a couple of years ago, and I even tried Alex Jones insane ramblings for a few episodes before I couldn't take any more. I have no problem listening to people I disagree with.
I'm going to guess it's two blokes saying things that aren't really based in any reality but provide people like yourself with some comfort. Happy to listen if it's something more interesting.
mybrainhurts said:
You don't know who Dellers is? How very backward of you.
I'm presuming he writes words that feed a particular audience. A turbobloke in print, if you will. I can see why you're fond of him.durbster said:
mybrainhurts said:
Go on, you really need to listen to that.
Of course, you daren't...
Daren't?Of course, you daren't...
From somebody who isn't brave enough to participate in this thread, but inexplicably hangs around to stay in with the gang,
durbster said:
Christ, I listened to 9 hours of creationist podcasting a couple of years ago, and I even tried Alex Jones insane ramblings for a few episodes before I couldn't take any more. I have no problem listening to people I disagree with.
What's that got to do with anything? You won't listen because you're scared of scuppering your belief, aren't you? Go on, 'fess up.durbster said:
I'm going to guess it's two blokes saying things that aren't really based in any reality but provide people like yourself with some comfort. Happy to listen if it's something more interesting.
No, and, yes, more interesting. Whet your appetite...Exxon in on setting up the global warming hoax. durbster said:
mybrainhurts said:
You don't know who Dellers is? How very backward of you.
I'm presuming he writes words that feed a particular audience. A turbobloke in print, if you will. I can see why you're fond of him.And please stop saying if you will, or people will think you're a dumb Yank. I'm sure you're not a Yank.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
mybrainhurts said:
No, and, yes, more interesting. Whet your appetite...Exxon in on setting up the global warming hoax.
Jesus fking wept. Enron. Enron for f
ks sake, not Exxon !Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Apologies if saying that has the appearance of being superior....
Not at all, I'm sure you are superior.Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Durbster, its a Whinny Lawyer - ex Enron, winning because the corporation - get this - was looking to make money. 20 years ago.
6/7 minutes in he says : “my take, and it is simply my takes, was that he {they / evil money making / money seeking corporations} saw an opportunity to grow”
Well done, durby will be rubbing his contented tummy now.6/7 minutes in he says : “my take, and it is simply my takes, was that he {they / evil money making / money seeking corporations} saw an opportunity to grow”
You ought to be a film critic, you're wasted here.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Your efforts to make a fk up of facts (this particular time) are churlish at best and reinforce that you have no actual inputs to the discussion
If you can't appreciate the difference between Exxon and Enron, their backgrounds and politics - your pithy comments lump you with the other biscuit boys in the club on this thread.
A shame as elsewhere on PH your posts tend to be more in tune.
You seem to be under the impression that I find durby worthy of rational jousting or making the effort to take seriously.k up of facts (this particular time) are churlish at best and reinforce that you have no actual inputs to the discussionIf you can't appreciate the difference between Exxon and Enron, their backgrounds and politics - your pithy comments lump you with the other biscuit boys in the club on this thread.
A shame as elsewhere on PH your posts tend to be more in tune.
As to the phenomenon of Enron, I am reasonably aware, but its name means nothing to me, along with most things American. I am shocked by your revelation that this might taint my perception of Mars bars and laxatives. I shall put more effort into the conduct of my life henceforth.
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