Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
Todays Beeb CC story:-
Barrier reef suffers huge coral loss
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4009...
Australia's Great Barrier Reef lost nearly a third of its corals in the past year, officials have said.
Coral "bleaching" has led to widespread coral decline and habitat loss on the world's largest coral reef system.
Surveys show that 29% of corals died in 2016, greater than the figure of 22% projected in mid-2016.
The worst-hit area was near Port Douglas, where 70% of shallow water corals died, but there was a recovery of corals in the south of the reef.
The latest results come from surveys carried out by the Marine Park Authority, Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service, Australian Institute of Marine Science and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies.
Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority chairman Russell Reichelt said: "As has been the case with reefs across the world, the Great Barrier Reef has experienced significant and widespread impacts over the last two years.
"We're very concerned about what this means for the Great Barrier Reef itself and what it means for the communities and industries that depend on it."
According to newpaper reports, a meeting over the reef's future was recently told that the federal and Queensland government's long-term plan to protect the reef, announced in 2015, was no longer achievable.
Bleaching occurs when the algae living on coral is expelled due to stress caused by extreme, sustained changes in temperature. This turns the coral white.
In 2017, further coral die-offs are expected from the second year of bleaching in a row, and the impacts of tropical cyclone Debbie, the officials said.
Researchers say that climate change is a significant driver behind the coral loss and experts have said the window is closing fast to cut the greenhouse gas emissions pushing up temperatures and harming the reef.
They got CC in at the end !!!
Barrier reef suffers huge coral loss
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4009...
Australia's Great Barrier Reef lost nearly a third of its corals in the past year, officials have said.
Coral "bleaching" has led to widespread coral decline and habitat loss on the world's largest coral reef system.
Surveys show that 29% of corals died in 2016, greater than the figure of 22% projected in mid-2016.
The worst-hit area was near Port Douglas, where 70% of shallow water corals died, but there was a recovery of corals in the south of the reef.
The latest results come from surveys carried out by the Marine Park Authority, Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service, Australian Institute of Marine Science and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies.
Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority chairman Russell Reichelt said: "As has been the case with reefs across the world, the Great Barrier Reef has experienced significant and widespread impacts over the last two years.
"We're very concerned about what this means for the Great Barrier Reef itself and what it means for the communities and industries that depend on it."
According to newpaper reports, a meeting over the reef's future was recently told that the federal and Queensland government's long-term plan to protect the reef, announced in 2015, was no longer achievable.
Bleaching occurs when the algae living on coral is expelled due to stress caused by extreme, sustained changes in temperature. This turns the coral white.
In 2017, further coral die-offs are expected from the second year of bleaching in a row, and the impacts of tropical cyclone Debbie, the officials said.
Researchers say that climate change is a significant driver behind the coral loss and experts have said the window is closing fast to cut the greenhouse gas emissions pushing up temperatures and harming the reef.
They got CC in at the end !!!
US President Donald Trump is poised to pull the country out of the Paris climate accord, US media report, quoting senior officials.
It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
turbobloke said:
US President Donald Trump is poised to pull the country out of the Paris climate accord, US media report, quoting senior officials.
It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
excellent news. ulrike demmer may well be correct regarding the german governments support for the paris deal, he might do well to ask the big german industrialists what their position is, as i imagine virtue signalling in the dark is not very easy.It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
turbobloke said:
US President Donald Trump is poised to pull the country out of the Paris climate accord, US media report, quoting senior officials.
It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
Note the heavily photoshopped BBC image being rolled out again It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
dickymint said:
turbobloke said:
US President Donald Trump is poised to pull the country out of the Paris climate accord, US media report, quoting senior officials.
It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
Note the heavily photoshopped BBC image being rolled out again It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
http://sticknern.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/credit-whe...
Lord Stern and Bob Ward are very naughty boys. Allegedly.....
Lord Stern and Bob Ward are very naughty boys. Allegedly.....
mybrainhurts said:
http://sticknern.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/credit-whe...
Lord Stern and Bob Ward are very naughty boys. Allegedly.....
What should happen now is that the Climategate inquiry teams be reconstituted, given another bucket of whitewash, and let loose. It's only fair.Lord Stern and Bob Ward are very naughty boys. Allegedly.....
turbobloke said:
US President Donald Trump is poised to pull the country out of the Paris climate accord, US media report, quoting senior officials.
It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
Apparently he has not yet made up his mind - allegedly according to his Twitter alter ego.It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
He'd have more fun staying in and creating havoc I would have thought.
I'm waiting for one of the bright sparks to set a target of -150% "carbon" by 2025 compared to 1925 and then watch them all scrambling to beat it with ever greater righteousness.
Might we be able to rely on the Pope to take that direction with a little prompting? Maybe the Trump women could make that happen?
LongQ said:
turbobloke said:
US President Donald Trump is poised to pull the country out of the Paris climate accord, US media report, quoting senior officials.
It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
Apparently he has not yet made up his mind - allegedly according to his Twitter alter ego.It's breaking news on the BBC website so it must be true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40108659
He'd have more fun staying in and creating havoc I would have thought.
I'm waiting for one of the bright sparks to set a target of -150% "carbon" by 2025 compared to 1925 and then watch them all scrambling to beat it with ever greater righteousness.
Might we be able to rely on the Pope to take that direction with a little prompting? Maybe the Trump women could make that happen?
Oops that's tonight then
Edited by dickymint on Thursday 1st June 08:04
At least in last night 'leader's debate' we were told - in no uncertain terms - that climate change is the biggest risk facing our children.
So that's a given - all the main parties agreed, were concerned, and that awful Trump chap should just fall in line.
Shame I feel the need to vote, but which (if any) represents a view I can agree with?
So that's a given - all the main parties agreed, were concerned, and that awful Trump chap should just fall in line.
Shame I feel the need to vote, but which (if any) represents a view I can agree with?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/05/31/in-one-grap...
if the graph in that is true... I do wonder how the paris climate party even got a green light (well I do know, a knees up at everyone elses expense). 0.05 deg C saving if all the climate actions are completed by 2030. 0.05.... they won't even be able to measure it due to all the rounding they do.
if the graph in that is true... I do wonder how the paris climate party even got a green light (well I do know, a knees up at everyone elses expense). 0.05 deg C saving if all the climate actions are completed by 2030. 0.05.... they won't even be able to measure it due to all the rounding they do.
Some snippets.
Mrs Merkel criticises President Trump for failing to endorse the 2015 Paris climate change deal. However, the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, a press agency, reports that more than 330,000 German households have been cut off from the electricity grid because of a failure to pay the massive prices. This is due to increasing climate subsidies for renewables. So is it any wonder Mr Trump has doubts? As a result of Mrs Merkel's climate policies, energy poverty is engulfing Germany. She may say that Europe can no longer depend on Britain and the US, but in reality it is Britain and the US who can no longer rely on Germany and Europe.
Terri Jackson, The Times, 31 May
Following their tense and grumpy meeting this week the Pope cheekily presented Donald Trump with a parting gift: his 165-page Encyclical on Care for our Common Home, better known as Laudato Si, in which he outlines his commitment to action on climate change. But then Trump was never the intended audience. The critical question is whether, in the two years since it was released ahead of the Paris climate conference, the papal encyclical has shifted opinion among Catholics. And unfortunately the answer is “probably not”. Three major US studies have found that liberal Catholics were far more motivated and inspired by the encyclical than conservative Catholics. What was more surprising, though, was that the encyclical actually increased polarisation. Research by Yale University found that following the publication of the encyclical the number of Catholics who strongly trusted the Pope as a source of information about global warming increased by a quarter. The number who strongly distrusted him doubled.
George Marshall, Climate Home, 26 May
East European EU states are mounting a behind-the-scenes revolt against the Paris Agreement, blocking key measures needed to deliver the pledge that they signed up to 18 months ago. Under the climate accord, Europe promised to shave 40% off its emissions by 2030, mostly by revising existing climate laws on renewables, energy efficiency and its flagship Emissions Trading System (ETS). But documents seen by Climate Home show that Visegrad countries are trying to gut, block or water down all of these efforts, in a rearguard manoeuvre that mirrors president Donald Trump’s rollback of climate policy in Washington.
Arthur Neslen, Climate Home, 29 May 2017
Germany’s Green Party is collapsing and the party could lose all its seats in the national legislature, according to a Monday article in the magazine Der Spiegel. The Greens are polling very poorly in upcoming national elections scheduled for September, and the party doesn’t seem to have a plan to solve the problem, according to Der Spiegel. The magazine notes the party is in ‘existential crisis.’ If the party doesn’t receive at least 5 percent of the vote, it will not have a representative at the federal level. “The Greens are dying in entire regions,” writes Der Spiegel.
Andrew Follett, Daily Caller, 16 May
Mrs Merkel criticises President Trump for failing to endorse the 2015 Paris climate change deal. However, the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, a press agency, reports that more than 330,000 German households have been cut off from the electricity grid because of a failure to pay the massive prices. This is due to increasing climate subsidies for renewables. So is it any wonder Mr Trump has doubts? As a result of Mrs Merkel's climate policies, energy poverty is engulfing Germany. She may say that Europe can no longer depend on Britain and the US, but in reality it is Britain and the US who can no longer rely on Germany and Europe.
Terri Jackson, The Times, 31 May
Following their tense and grumpy meeting this week the Pope cheekily presented Donald Trump with a parting gift: his 165-page Encyclical on Care for our Common Home, better known as Laudato Si, in which he outlines his commitment to action on climate change. But then Trump was never the intended audience. The critical question is whether, in the two years since it was released ahead of the Paris climate conference, the papal encyclical has shifted opinion among Catholics. And unfortunately the answer is “probably not”. Three major US studies have found that liberal Catholics were far more motivated and inspired by the encyclical than conservative Catholics. What was more surprising, though, was that the encyclical actually increased polarisation. Research by Yale University found that following the publication of the encyclical the number of Catholics who strongly trusted the Pope as a source of information about global warming increased by a quarter. The number who strongly distrusted him doubled.
George Marshall, Climate Home, 26 May
East European EU states are mounting a behind-the-scenes revolt against the Paris Agreement, blocking key measures needed to deliver the pledge that they signed up to 18 months ago. Under the climate accord, Europe promised to shave 40% off its emissions by 2030, mostly by revising existing climate laws on renewables, energy efficiency and its flagship Emissions Trading System (ETS). But documents seen by Climate Home show that Visegrad countries are trying to gut, block or water down all of these efforts, in a rearguard manoeuvre that mirrors president Donald Trump’s rollback of climate policy in Washington.
Arthur Neslen, Climate Home, 29 May 2017
Germany’s Green Party is collapsing and the party could lose all its seats in the national legislature, according to a Monday article in the magazine Der Spiegel. The Greens are polling very poorly in upcoming national elections scheduled for September, and the party doesn’t seem to have a plan to solve the problem, according to Der Spiegel. The magazine notes the party is in ‘existential crisis.’ If the party doesn’t receive at least 5 percent of the vote, it will not have a representative at the federal level. “The Greens are dying in entire regions,” writes Der Spiegel.
Andrew Follett, Daily Caller, 16 May
Todays multi CC stories.
Paris climate deal: EU and China rebuff Trump
Exxon shareholders back 'historic' vote on climate
Antarctic ice crack takes major turn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment
Do I sense Beeb panic ?
Paris climate deal: EU and China rebuff Trump
Exxon shareholders back 'historic' vote on climate
Antarctic ice crack takes major turn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment
Do I sense Beeb panic ?
turbobloke said:
Some snippets.
Mrs Merkel criticises President Trump for failing to endorse the 2015 Paris climate change deal. However, the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, a press agency, reports that more than 330,000 German households have been cut off from the electricity grid because of a failure to pay the massive prices. This is due to increasing climate subsidies for renewables. So is it any wonder Mr Trump has doubts? As a result of Mrs Merkel's climate policies, energy poverty is engulfing Germany. She may say that Europe can no longer depend on Britain and the US, but in reality it is Britain and the US who can no longer rely on Germany and Europe.
Terri Jackson, The Times, 31 May
Following their tense and grumpy meeting this week the Pope cheekily presented Donald Trump with a parting gift: his 165-page Encyclical on Care for our Common Home, better known as Laudato Si, in which he outlines his commitment to action on climate change. But then Trump was never the intended audience. The critical question is whether, in the two years since it was released ahead of the Paris climate conference, the papal encyclical has shifted opinion among Catholics. And unfortunately the answer is “probably not”. Three major US studies have found that liberal Catholics were far more motivated and inspired by the encyclical than conservative Catholics. What was more surprising, though, was that the encyclical actually increased polarisation. Research by Yale University found that following the publication of the encyclical the number of Catholics who strongly trusted the Pope as a source of information about global warming increased by a quarter. The number who strongly distrusted him doubled.
George Marshall, Climate Home, 26 May
East European EU states are mounting a behind-the-scenes revolt against the Paris Agreement, blocking key measures needed to deliver the pledge that they signed up to 18 months ago. Under the climate accord, Europe promised to shave 40% off its emissions by 2030, mostly by revising existing climate laws on renewables, energy efficiency and its flagship Emissions Trading System (ETS). But documents seen by Climate Home show that Visegrad countries are trying to gut, block or water down all of these efforts, in a rearguard manoeuvre that mirrors president Donald Trump’s rollback of climate policy in Washington.
Arthur Neslen, Climate Home, 29 May 2017
Germany’s Green Party is collapsing and the party could lose all its seats in the national legislature, according to a Monday article in the magazine Der Spiegel. The Greens are polling very poorly in upcoming national elections scheduled for September, and the party doesn’t seem to have a plan to solve the problem, according to Der Spiegel. The magazine notes the party is in ‘existential crisis.’ If the party doesn’t receive at least 5 percent of the vote, it will not have a representative at the federal level. “The Greens are dying in entire regions,” writes Der Spiegel.
Andrew Follett, Daily Caller, 16 May
The combination of Christianity and Climate Change is almost too perfect. What better way to bolster your religion than by getting the head of another sky-fairies belief system to join in. Mrs Merkel criticises President Trump for failing to endorse the 2015 Paris climate change deal. However, the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, a press agency, reports that more than 330,000 German households have been cut off from the electricity grid because of a failure to pay the massive prices. This is due to increasing climate subsidies for renewables. So is it any wonder Mr Trump has doubts? As a result of Mrs Merkel's climate policies, energy poverty is engulfing Germany. She may say that Europe can no longer depend on Britain and the US, but in reality it is Britain and the US who can no longer rely on Germany and Europe.
Terri Jackson, The Times, 31 May
Following their tense and grumpy meeting this week the Pope cheekily presented Donald Trump with a parting gift: his 165-page Encyclical on Care for our Common Home, better known as Laudato Si, in which he outlines his commitment to action on climate change. But then Trump was never the intended audience. The critical question is whether, in the two years since it was released ahead of the Paris climate conference, the papal encyclical has shifted opinion among Catholics. And unfortunately the answer is “probably not”. Three major US studies have found that liberal Catholics were far more motivated and inspired by the encyclical than conservative Catholics. What was more surprising, though, was that the encyclical actually increased polarisation. Research by Yale University found that following the publication of the encyclical the number of Catholics who strongly trusted the Pope as a source of information about global warming increased by a quarter. The number who strongly distrusted him doubled.
George Marshall, Climate Home, 26 May
East European EU states are mounting a behind-the-scenes revolt against the Paris Agreement, blocking key measures needed to deliver the pledge that they signed up to 18 months ago. Under the climate accord, Europe promised to shave 40% off its emissions by 2030, mostly by revising existing climate laws on renewables, energy efficiency and its flagship Emissions Trading System (ETS). But documents seen by Climate Home show that Visegrad countries are trying to gut, block or water down all of these efforts, in a rearguard manoeuvre that mirrors president Donald Trump’s rollback of climate policy in Washington.
Arthur Neslen, Climate Home, 29 May 2017
Germany’s Green Party is collapsing and the party could lose all its seats in the national legislature, according to a Monday article in the magazine Der Spiegel. The Greens are polling very poorly in upcoming national elections scheduled for September, and the party doesn’t seem to have a plan to solve the problem, according to Der Spiegel. The magazine notes the party is in ‘existential crisis.’ If the party doesn’t receive at least 5 percent of the vote, it will not have a representative at the federal level. “The Greens are dying in entire regions,” writes Der Spiegel.
Andrew Follett, Daily Caller, 16 May
How do they even compute that... science and religion are surely polar opposites (except when the science, isn't...perhaps?)
turbobloke said:
No causal link to humans.
Coral reefs have been around for 500 million years and survived hotter climates.
Boring same old from the biased beeb.
That is what gets me about the coral stuff. They run around shrieking about it without mentioning current corals are 10's of thousands of years old and corals themselves have been around for millions of years, over hotter, colder and numerous extinction level events...and yet, here they are. Yes I am sure changing a trace gas from 0.03% to 0.04% is going to do them right in.Coral reefs have been around for 500 million years and survived hotter climates.
Boring same old from the biased beeb.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
The Don of Croy said:
At least in last night 'leader's debate' we were told - in no uncertain terms - that climate change is the biggest risk facing our children.
So that's a given - all the main parties agreed, were concerned, and that awful Trump chap should just fall in line.
Shame I feel the need to vote, but which (if any) represents a view I can agree with?
And they all said what I have been saying and you tin hatters vehemently denied (until you learnt).So that's a given - all the main parties agreed, were concerned, and that awful Trump chap should just fall in line.
Shame I feel the need to vote, but which (if any) represents a view I can agree with?
Renewables and the economics of.
You are a risible chap. Talk about double-downing on denial.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
The Don of Croy said:
At least in last night 'leader's debate' we were told - in no uncertain terms - that climate change is the biggest risk facing our children.
So that's a given - all the main parties agreed, were concerned, and that awful Trump chap should just fall in line.
Shame I feel the need to vote, but which (if any) represents a view I can agree with?
And they all said what I have been saying and you tin hatters vehemently denied (until you learnt).So that's a given - all the main parties agreed, were concerned, and that awful Trump chap should just fall in line.
Shame I feel the need to vote, but which (if any) represents a view I can agree with?
Renewables and the economics of.
You are a risible chap. Talk about double-downing on denial.
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