Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
The Don of Croy said:
At least in last night 'leader's debate' we were told - in no uncertain terms - that climate change is the biggest risk facing our children.
So that's a given - all the main parties agreed, were concerned, and that awful Trump chap should just fall in line.
Shame I feel the need to vote, but which (if any) represents a view I can agree with?
And they all said what I have been saying and you tin hatters vehemently denied (until you learnt).So that's a given - all the main parties agreed, were concerned, and that awful Trump chap should just fall in line.
Shame I feel the need to vote, but which (if any) represents a view I can agree with?
Renewables and the economics of.
You are a risible chap. Talk about double-downing on denial.
I don't need to convince anyone, if they hold sufficient intellect to learn, read and understand.
It's going to be interesting if Trump withdraws from the Paris agreement 
That'll put the USA in a group of, er, globally, one out of 192. 
Nicaragua and Syria aren't signatories but not because they are deniers (and in Nicaragua's case far from it)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/...
This will send the USA into convulsions in the liberal states. They'll be a more divided nation than at any time since (and possibly including) the Civil War.
That'll put the USA in a group of, er, globally, one out of 192. Nicaragua and Syria aren't signatories but not because they are deniers (and in Nicaragua's case far from it)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/...
This will send the USA into convulsions in the liberal states. They'll be a more divided nation than at any time since (and possibly including) the Civil War.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Renewables (wind/solar) are hopelessly ruinously uneconomic, you've convinced anyone otherwise?
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Removing the personal insults..
Would you like to validate your claim on this please, industry and politics suggest you are wrong. Please elaborate
"And they all said what I have been saying and you tin hatters vehemently denied (until you learnt)."
So please stop being so hypocritical there's a good f
kknuckle dickymint said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Renewables (wind/solar) are hopelessly ruinously uneconomic, you've convinced anyone otherwise?
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Removing the personal insults..
Would you like to validate your claim on this please, industry and politics suggest you are wrong. Please elaborate
"And they all said what I have been saying and you tin hatters vehemently denied (until you learnt)."
So please stop being so hypocritical there's a good f
kknuckle As such, ramping a career as subsidy farmer never looked so blatant.
alanwul said:
It's going to be interesting if Trump withdraws from the Paris agreement That'll put the USA in a group of, er, globally, one out of 192.
Nicaragua and Syria aren't signatories but not because they are deniers (and in Nicaragua's case far from it)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/...
This will send the USA into convulsions in the liberal states. They'll be a more divided nation than at any time since (and possibly including) the Civil War.
someone has to lead the way, it better be USA than some non-important country That'll put the USA in a group of, er, globally, one out of 192. Nicaragua and Syria aren't signatories but not because they are deniers (and in Nicaragua's case far from it)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/...
This will send the USA into convulsions in the liberal states. They'll be a more divided nation than at any time since (and possibly including) the Civil War.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Removing the personal insults.
Would you like to validate your claim on this please, industry and politics suggest you are wrong. Please elaborate
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/Would you like to validate your claim on this please, industry and politics suggest you are wrong. Please elaborate
So much land wasted, so many birds and bats killed, so much cost for so little energy produced.
gadgetmac said:
All the signs are that he's pulling the US out of the Paris deal.
US Media outlets are all saying its soon to be confirmed, will be interesting to see EU/Chinese reaction. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40127326
4 Options for Trump according to BBC:
1 Give notice of an intent to withdraw. The formal process takes a year and can't start until November 2019
2 Withdraw from the Framework Convention on Climate Change - the 1992 Senate-ratified treaty upon which all subsequent climate agreements have been built. This also requires one year's notice, but it can be triggered immediately
3 Stay in the agreement, but ignore the non-binding greenhouse-gas emission targets and international aid obligations
4 Determine that the Paris Agreement is a treaty that should have been ratified by Congress. Submit it to the Senate, where it will languish. Or don't. Either way, the agreement dies
hyphen said:
US Media outlets are all saying its soon to be confirmed, will be interesting to see EU/Chinese reaction.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40127326
4 Options for Trump according to BBC:
1 Give notice of an intent to withdraw. The formal process takes a year and can't start until November 2019
2 Withdraw from the Framework Convention on Climate Change - the 1992 Senate-ratified treaty upon which all subsequent climate agreements have been built. This also requires one year's notice, but it can be triggered immediately
3 Stay in the agreement, but ignore the non-binding greenhouse-gas emission targets and international aid obligations
4 Determine that the Paris Agreement is a treaty that should have been ratified by Congress. Submit it to the Senate, where it will languish. Or don't. Either way, the agreement dies
5 - as it was signed by executive order - write a new order rescinding the previous one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40127326
4 Options for Trump according to BBC:
1 Give notice of an intent to withdraw. The formal process takes a year and can't start until November 2019
2 Withdraw from the Framework Convention on Climate Change - the 1992 Senate-ratified treaty upon which all subsequent climate agreements have been built. This also requires one year's notice, but it can be triggered immediately
3 Stay in the agreement, but ignore the non-binding greenhouse-gas emission targets and international aid obligations
4 Determine that the Paris Agreement is a treaty that should have been ratified by Congress. Submit it to the Senate, where it will languish. Or don't. Either way, the agreement dies
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Again - rather than hypothesis
Please put some stats to your statements, as I always have.
There are 6030 wind turbines in the UK - 20 turbines covers approx 250 acres so give or take 305 km^2 of land wasted. Please put some stats to your statements, as I always have.
In America they have Save the Eagles
Unfortunately the RSPB seems to make a killing from windfarms out of killing......
And the link I previously provided shows we are still taking more energy from our European neighbours than the wind provides.....
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