Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4

[durbster]

TheExcession said:

But that's not what he [wc98] said - IIRC the poster stated Northern Hemisphere is warming a bit and there are cooler patches.

You don't have to RC - it's written down.

TheExcession said:

Which bit are of the OP (wc98's post) are you denying?

wc98 said:

... for a start the global part is wrong.
...
so not global at all.

[wc98]

Ali G said:

Well, I dip in and out of this thread to see if there is anything new (as with the other thread) and nothing has changed.

Still a refusal of nature to acquisce to political demands, and an obdurate resistance to moderate opinion which at the very least would be evidenced by a more open discussion in MSM.

Becoming ever more of McCarthian witch-hunt as days go by!

that may be about to change, in the states at least. current talk of a red team vs blue team exercise in relation to established knowledge on the subject at the moment.

[XM5ER]

For Durbster

Anomaly

noun, plural anomalies.
1.
a deviation from the common rule, type, arrangement, or form.
Synonyms: abnormality, exception, peculiarity.
2.
an anomalous person or thing; one that is abnormal or does not fit in:
With his quiet nature, he was an anomaly in his exuberant family.
Synonyms: abnormality, exception, peculiarity.
3.
an odd, peculiar, or strange condition, situation, quality, etc.
4.
an incongruity or inconsistency.

Ever wondered why the maps are always anomaly maps? No? Perhaps you should.

[durbster]

XM5ER said:

Ever wondered why the maps are always anomaly maps? No? Perhaps you should.

Why? If you're looking for an anomaly, it makes sense to, er, look for an anomaly.

[robinessex]

Renewables provide more than half UK electricity for first time

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40198567

Renewable sources of energy have generated more electricity than coal and gas in the UK for the first time.
National Grid reported that, on Wednesday lunchtime, power from wind, solar, hydro and wood pellet burning supplied 50.7% of UK energy.

For how long? Half an hour? On a nice warm windy summer day of course! What a surprise! And what happens on a freezing night in January then?

[zygalski]

With open-minded thinking like that we'd still be finger painting in caves.

[robinessex]

zygalski said:

With open-minded thinking like that we'd still be finger painting in caves.

Answer it then

[zygalski]

robinessex said:

zygalski said:

With open-minded thinking like that we'd still be finger painting in caves.

Answer it then

So what if it's for one second of one day?
I think there's a word for it.
Progress.

[robinessex]

zygalski said:

robinessex said:

zygalski said:

With open-minded thinking like that we'd still be finger painting in caves.

Answer it then

So what if it's for one second of one day?
I think there's a word for it.
Progress.

Answer my ORIGINAL question then

[Mr GrimNasty]

zygalski said:

With open-minded thinking like that we'd still be finger painting in caves.

With delusional zealots like you, we'll be back there within 20 years.

They have been deliberately creating these renewable propaganda headlines this year and they are dishonest and risible.

(a) It was a low demand situation which they spotted was a chance to exploit and play with - demand has dropped a lot since we destroyed our steel/aluminium industry - which is a failure all round because it harms our economy and just off-shores production to far more polluting countries like China.
(b) They maxed out nuclear to produce the headline - it wasn't the success of wind or solar (the latter only a model - known to be highly optimistic - and not metered anyway).
(c) A substantial contribution was from coal to wood pellet converted power stations - again a disaster for the environment all round - more CO2 than coal and destroying valuable wood/forest habitat (of course they still lie about only using trimmings!).
(d) Renewables did not produce half the electricity for the day, it was just for one instant.
(e) Why no headlines when days on end wind/solar do SFA?
(f) It doesn't matter how much wind solar you install, without fossil fuels the lights would go out.
(g) High/unaffordable electricity prices are directly linked to countries with high wind solar installed capacities.

As ever you are in denial and would say black is white if it supported your fraudulent CAGW/eco-fascist-socialist agenda

[Otispunkmeyer]

robinessex said:

Renewables provide more than half UK electricity for first time

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40198567

Renewable sources of energy have generated more electricity than coal and gas in the UK for the first time.
National Grid reported that, on Wednesday lunchtime, power from wind, solar, hydro and wood pellet burning supplied 50.7% of UK energy.

For how long? Half an hour? On a nice warm windy summer day of course! What a surprise! And what happens on a freezing night in January then?

To be fair, I think they had some sustained period of good generation. I keep an eye on Gridwatch when at my desk and wind and solar were putting in a good 7-8 GWh each for a good chunk of the day. CCGT had to pick up the slack when everyone got home though.

However, yesterday was a bit special IMO as whilst its been rather windy all week (not blustery, but sustained strong winds), yesterday for whatever reason, it broke out quite sunny for the midday-afternoon.

Today its less windy and the sky is gray. As such wind and solar are only putting in a combined 8GW. Thankfully CCGT is here to save the day (again), rocking out 12 GW. Nukes are maxed at 8GW and we're maxing the interconnects to France and the Dutch.

[Ali G]

CCGT operates in consort with renewables.

If greater reliance has to be placed on renewables, then there will have to be a larger CCGT capacity to compensate for intermittency.

The implications imho are obvious.

Where funds are directed should not be determined exclusively by those engaging in a vanity driven virtue signalling exercise.

[The Don of Croy]

robinessex said:

Renewables provide more than half UK electricity for first time

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40198567

Renewable sources of energy have generated more electricity than coal and gas in the UK for the first time.
National Grid reported that, on Wednesday lunchtime, power from wind, solar, hydro and wood pellet burning supplied 50.7% of UK energy.

For how long? Half an hour? On a nice warm windy summer day of course! What a surprise! And what happens on a freezing night in January then?

The radio report this morning included (the dreaded) nuclear in that 'renewables' section. So the green activists can celebrate this momentous time when nuclear pushed renewables over the line into biggest-energy-source shocker. Go nukes!

(That wood pellet boondoggle has to be turned over soon, no?)

[s2art]

Ali G said:

CCGT operates in consort with renewables.

Not sure that it does. Or if so at a massive reduction in efficiency. Generally CCGT doesnt like spooling up and down to fill the gaps, thats normally left to non-CCGT gas turbines.

[Ali G]

s2art said:

Ali G said:

CCGT operates in consort with renewables.

Not sure that it does. Or if so at a massive reduction in efficiency. Generally CCGT doesnt like spooling up and down to fill the gaps, thats normally left to non-CCGT gas turbines.

Massive reduction in CCGT efficiency then?

[DibblyDobbler]

durbster said:

See this graph - that's showing about 0.2 degrees per decade of an increase right? - is this a generally accepted measure of what global temperatures have been doing lately?

[XM5ER]

A fun video. Not sure when it's actually from but I enjoyed it.

https://youtu.be/T43vc4NZUUc

[Wobbegong]

Some good news

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/11/t...

Gove becomes environmental secretary

[turbobloke]

Wobbegong said:

Some good news

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/11/t...

Gove becomes environmental secretary

[voyds9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpxGPZDB2fA

Some past predictions