Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
voyds9 said:
Another high-quality source there - a computer generated animation on YouTube. Keep on believing, deniers.
durbster said:
voyds9 said:
Another high-quality source there - a computer generated animation on YouTube. Keep on believing, deniers.
ks propaganda from politician primed by sycophantic ‘climate scientists’, looking for their next chunk of cash for more useless investigations. Carry on Dumbo.durbster said:
voyds9 said:
Another high-quality source there - a computer generated animation on YouTube. Keep on believing, deniers.
I certainly remember in the 70's being told we were going in to an ice age.
Were we that successful we overshot?
Conveniently that is now forgotten as we have to prepare for the heatwave.
Climate scientists track record on being correct leaves a lot to be desired
voyds9 said:
Another true believer who shoots the messenger so he can ignore the message.
Show me you got your information from a credible source and I might pay attention to the message. If it's such a compelling case, there must be plenty of high-quality sources you can refer to.I take the same approach when people refer to Gwyneth Paltrow for health advice.
Anyway, it's always amusing to see people parroting the catchphrases turbobloke has taught them, while accusing others of being "believers".
durbster said:
voyds9 said:
Another true believer who shoots the messenger so he can ignore the message.
Show me you got your information from a credible source and I might pay attention to the message. If it's such a compelling case, there must be plenty of high-quality sources you can refer to.I take the same approach when people refer to Gwyneth Paltrow for health advice.
Anyway, it's always amusing to see people parroting the catchphrases turbobloke has taught them, while accusing others of being "believers".
PS. Planet getting minutely hotter. Bad or good Dumbo, I've asked you countless times, and you've NEVER answered. Wonder why?
Edited by robinessex on Tuesday 13th June 10:07
Dr David Evans claims CO2 has only a tenth to a fifth of the impact on temperature rises than calculated
Dr David Evans, a former climate modeller for the Government’s Australian Greenhouse Office, says global warming predictions have been vastly exaggerated in error.
The academic, from Perth, Australia, who has passed six degrees in applied mathematics, has analysed complex mathematical assumptions widely used to predict climate change and is predicting world temperature will stagnate until 2017 before cooling, with a 'mini ice age' by 2030.
He says fundamental flaws in how future temperatures may rise have been included in the 'standard models' and this has led to inflated mathematical - and therefore temperature - predictions.
He said: "There is an intellectual stand-off in climate change. Skeptics point to empirical evidence that disagrees with the climate models.
Not convinced: Dr David Evans does not envisage scenes like this any time soon
"Yet the climate scientists insist that their calculations showing a high sensitivity to carbon dioxide are correct — because they use well-established physics, such as spectroscopy, radiation physics, and adiabatic lapse rates.
He said he "mapped out" the architecture of the climate models used and found, that while the physics was correct, it had been "applied wrongly".
He claims to have found two reasons for it being wrongly applied, the first being a vastly over estimated impact on our temperature from CO2.
He said: "There is no empirical evidence that rising levels of carbon dioxide will raise the temperature of the Earth’s surface as fast as the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicts.
"Yes, CO2 has an effect, but it’s about a fifth or tenth of what the IPCC says it is.
"CO2 is not driving the climate; it caused less than 20% of the global warming in the last few decades”.
He said the other problem was the predictions had no reflection on changes that have actually been recorded and never saw the current 18-year temperature stagnation we are now in.
Dr David Evans, a former climate modeller for the Government’s Australian Greenhouse Office, says global warming predictions have been vastly exaggerated in error.
The academic, from Perth, Australia, who has passed six degrees in applied mathematics, has analysed complex mathematical assumptions widely used to predict climate change and is predicting world temperature will stagnate until 2017 before cooling, with a 'mini ice age' by 2030.
He says fundamental flaws in how future temperatures may rise have been included in the 'standard models' and this has led to inflated mathematical - and therefore temperature - predictions.
He said: "There is an intellectual stand-off in climate change. Skeptics point to empirical evidence that disagrees with the climate models.
Not convinced: Dr David Evans does not envisage scenes like this any time soon
"Yet the climate scientists insist that their calculations showing a high sensitivity to carbon dioxide are correct — because they use well-established physics, such as spectroscopy, radiation physics, and adiabatic lapse rates.
He said he "mapped out" the architecture of the climate models used and found, that while the physics was correct, it had been "applied wrongly".
He claims to have found two reasons for it being wrongly applied, the first being a vastly over estimated impact on our temperature from CO2.
He said: "There is no empirical evidence that rising levels of carbon dioxide will raise the temperature of the Earth’s surface as fast as the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicts.
"Yes, CO2 has an effect, but it’s about a fifth or tenth of what the IPCC says it is.
"CO2 is not driving the climate; it caused less than 20% of the global warming in the last few decades”.
He said the other problem was the predictions had no reflection on changes that have actually been recorded and never saw the current 18-year temperature stagnation we are now in.
robinessex said:
I have my own opinion and brain, don't need TB. ... Carry on believing Dumbo.
Of course you don't.turbobloke said:
... so agw is junkscience fairytales.
robinessex said:
At least were not gullible idiots who believe in fairy tales...
Oh yes, definitely an independent thinker. durbster said:
robinessex said:
I have my own opinion and brain, don't need TB. ... Carry on believing Dumbo.
Of course you don't.turbobloke said:
... so agw is junkscience fairytales.
robinessex said:
At least were not gullible idiots who believe in fairy tales...
Oh yes, definitely an independent thinker. 
durbster said:
Anyway, it's always amusing to see people parroting the catchphrases turbobloke has taught them, while accusing others of being "believers".
You use the term "deniers", did you coin it yourself?http://drtimball.com/2011/weather-and-climate-data...
An old article that turned up in my t
tter feed today. It's well worth remembering that water and clouds are still largely ignored by the modelers.durbster said:
clyffepypard said:
Yet again Dumboster shows what an utterly pathetic troll he is.
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durbster said:
clyffepypard said:
Yet again Dumboster shows what an utterly pathetic troll he is.
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DocJock said:
I realise that Durbster is posting unpopular opinions on this thread, but there really is no excuse for the childish name-calling. Grow up.
To be fair, it's all they have left. 
DapperDanMan said:
clyffepypard said:
durbster said:
clyffepypard said:
Yet again Dumboster shows what an utterly pathetic troll he is.
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