Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4

[mondeoman]

Consensus isn't science, just ayin'

[s2art]

mx-6 said:

Just thought I'd stick my neck into the thread, I see that it's business as usual - anyone who supports the scientific mainstream consensus ..

Consensus, what consensus? http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2013/09/Mon...

[wc98]

budgie smuggler said:

Well it certainly didn't back up the impression you presented. From what you said I thought the map would look like a close up of a pointillism painting with a red block at the top, rather than 80%+ of it showing warming.

spec savers have a two for one deal on at the moment ,might be an idea for you and durbs to go together to make the most of it.

[DibblyDobbler]

mx-6 said:

Just thought I'd stick my neck into the thread, I see that it's business as usual - anyone who supports the scientific mainstream consensus and is at odds with the PH ideological right wing echo chamber view is branded a troll.

Durbster, it's a great effort to keep going here mate, hats off to you...

I'll pipe up again (before I go back to my happy place - aka the Photography sub-forum ) - I'm a moderate skeptic so I don't fully agree with Durbster but I do like to hear the other side of the story and this would be a pretty pointless thread without both sides giving their views.

I can confidently predict that neither side will ever be proved completely right or completely wrong - if the truth ever emerges it'll be in the horrible grey area in the middle. We shall see...

[jet_noise]

I realise this is just weather* but...
.../laughing like an <insert a laughing a lot thing here>

*Breitbart content for the snowier of flakes.

[DibblyDobbler]

Heheh - yes that is rather funny

[LongQ]

Was Gore up there doing some property speculation?

Or maybe fishing?

Obviously I should now admit that I am sitting at the keyboard wearing my tin foil hat but, clearly, the scientific expedition was stymied deliberately by a false news alarm at the behest of big oil/big coal/Trump/Exxon/thewhatsitbrothers and, possibly, the US military who are intending to build a a missile deterent on a floating ice island as a defence against North Korea. (They've been freexzing the ice for years to create the island ..... Honest. Contrails are all part of the plan. I have it on good authority from an activist on the internet.)

Edited by LongQ on Tuesday 13th June 21:48

[durbster]

wc98 said:

budgie smuggler said:

Well it certainly didn't back up the impression you presented. From what you said I thought the map would look like a close up of a pointillism painting with a red block at the top, rather than 80%+ of it showing warming.

spec savers have a two for one deal on at the moment ,might be an idea for you and durbs to go together to make the most of it.

You've opted to keep digging eh.

This can be settled with some simple questions:
1. Is most of the graphic either yellow or red?
2. Do the people who created the graphic agree with your interpretation of it?
3. Do the people who supplied the data for the graphic agree with your interpretation of it?

[kerplunk]

jet_noise said:

I realise this is just weather* but...
.../laughing like an <insert a laughing a lot thing here>

*Breitbart content for the snowier of flakes.

Just weather possibly, or symptomatic of the ongoing flushing out of multi-year sea ice from the arctic as it warms.

[DibblyDobbler]

Here's another one (I know nothing about the guy but check the association) - link

Snippet - 'Roger Helmer, known for controversial views on climate change, rape and homosexuality, will stand down in July'

Yep - lumped in with rape apologists and homophobes

[Yipper]

Global warming is good.

The world's human population has grown +750000%, and average life expectancy has improved +200%, since global warming first began.

The world-renowned United Nations (UN) has examined all the temperature, CO2 and other data and still says the global human population will grow an extra +30% in the future through 2050.

People who work themselves into a frenzy about global warming are just attention-seekers.

[kerplunk]

durbster said:

wc98 said:

budgie smuggler said:

Well it certainly didn't back up the impression you presented. From what you said I thought the map would look like a close up of a pointillism painting with a red block at the top, rather than 80%+ of it showing warming.

spec savers have a two for one deal on at the moment ,might be an idea for you and durbs to go together to make the most of it.

You've opted to keep digging eh.

This can be settled with some simple questions:
1. Is most of the graphic either yellow or red?
2. Do the people who created the graphic agree with your interpretation of it?
3. Do the people who supplied the data for the graphic agree with your interpretation of it?

Mean temperature increasing in both hemispheres (so not a hemispherical see-saw effect) = global warming. Simples.

[durbster]

France is capitalising on the growing hostility toward science and education from the US Government by offering grants for US scientists to go and work there.



I should think the increasingly prohibitive US border controls will be a factor here too, as there are many who simply won't be arsed to travel to conferences in the US any more for all the hassle it'll cause.

Smart thinking. If only we weren't still mopping up the brexit mess we could be looking for these opportunities too.

Edited by durbster on Tuesday 13th June 21:50

[turbobloke]

durbster said:

France is capitalising on the growing hostility toward science and education from the US Government by offering grants for US scientists to go and work there.

Covered in this thread some time ago.

After the invitation had been given time to hit home, not a single USA climate scientist decided to go and work for Macron. If that's real,. how many more are there - what's the current total?

[LongQ]

durbster said:

France is capitalising on the growing hostility toward science and education from the US Government by offering grants for US scientists to go and work there.


Smart thinking. If only we weren't still mopping up the brexit mess we could be looking for these opportunities too.

Old news.

Or rather, old self publicity.

Young (relatively) man in a hurry and needing to position himself on the world stage, emulating what he thinks the other bloke with a French name has done in Canada.

Nothing new. Tony Blair did it 20 years ago.

How many have signed up?

[turbobloke]

From mid-May in this thread.

It was said:

While the usual suspects continue to ramp uneliable / intermittent and energy bill inflating wind, there's news of M Macron's offer to US climate junkscientists.

Nobody is interested, it seems.

No takers yet on French President Macron’s plea for climate scientists to move to France

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/16/no...

[LongQ]

durbster said:

wc98 said:

budgie smuggler said:

Well it certainly didn't back up the impression you presented. From what you said I thought the map would look like a close up of a pointillism painting with a red block at the top, rather than 80%+ of it showing warming.

spec savers have a two for one deal on at the moment ,might be an idea for you and durbs to go together to make the most of it.

You've opted to keep digging eh.

This can be settled with some simple questions:
1. Is most of the graphic either yellow or red?
2. Do the people who created the graphic agree with your interpretation of it?
3. Do the people who supplied the data for the graphic agree with your interpretation of it?

Evocative colours and interesting projections.

Colours are just colours, If you inverted them would the map have the same "meaning"?

If you changed the scale of the estimated values and the granularity of the estimates would that change the message in any way?

More to the point, what will this mean (and I don't mean "what might one speculate") about the future?

Would any of the warming pundits put their personal wealth on the line now and their future pensions on the line with a prediction about the more distant future?

If any have I have yet to hear about their fan club(s) offering their plaudits.

[wc98]

LongQ said:

Evocative colours and interesting projections.

Colours are just colours, If you inverted them would the map have the same "meaning"?

If you changed the scale of the estimated values and the granularity of the estimates would that change the message in any way?

More to the point, what will this mean (and I don't mean "what might one speculate") about the future?

Would any of the warming pundits put their personal wealth on the line now and their future pensions on the line with a prediction about the more distant future?

If any have I have yet to hear about their fan club(s) offering their plaudits.

fiery red and orange seem to be the most popular i have a 1 k bet with jim hunt (the daily mail stalker,great white con website) regarding arctic sea ice levels by 2022 . i would imagine he is getting quite excited this year after the low winter extent. like most warmest they only read half a story. in this instance forgetting low winter sea ice extent means more heat lost to the atmosphere from the ocean that is not insulated by ice.
i wonder how many of our consensus advocates in this thread have any skin in the game .

[robinessex]

durbster said:

wc98 said:

budgie smuggler said:

Well it certainly didn't back up the impression you presented. From what you said I thought the map would look like a close up of a pointillism painting with a red block at the top, rather than 80%+ of it showing warming.

spec savers have a two for one deal on at the moment ,might be an idea for you and durbs to go together to make the most of it.

You've opted to keep digging eh.

This can be settled with some simple questions:
1. Is most of the graphic either yellow or red?
2. Do the people who created the graphic agree with your interpretation of it?
3. Do the people who supplied the data for the graphic agree with your interpretation of it?

And it’s all irrelevant until we know if a slight warming of planet earth is a problem, isn't it Durbster?

[durbster]

LongQ said:

Evocative colours and interesting projections.

Colours are just colours, If you inverted them would the map have the same "meaning"?

You're even seeing a conspiracy in colours now?

Red is a warm colour. Blue is a cool colour. That's widely understood and it is entirely logical to use them to represent temperature.

The point of the graphic is to illustrate which bits of the globe are warming and which are cooling. It's a functional illustration. It would be utterly confusing to invert the colours because most people would interpret it incorrectly.

Honestly, the lengths you go to to contrive a story to fit your fantasy are absolutely extraordinary.