Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4

[jet_noise]

Kawasicki said:

Don't know. I do know that if you measure air temperatures in areas of high volcanic activity you will find they are higher than in areas with low volcanic activity. Therefore we can surmise that higher temperatures increase volcanic activity. Tipping points are also possibly probable.

Ah, but which happens first?
The movie answer or the real one ?

[wc98]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

A 15 minute Google and weighing up the various dozen or so pages whilst taking in to account the dates - i.e. Ignoring my anything less than 6 months old to get impartiality / away from his current headline making observations.

Surprised in the link to Koch and Co?

jesus fking wept , have you ever stopped to think for one second about the impartiality regarding the rent seeking morons pushing this ste ? apologies for the language not had much sleep last few days and tolerance for idiocy is hovering around zero.

[turbobloke]

jet_noise said:

Kawasicki said:

Don't know. I do know that if you measure air temperatures in areas of high volcanic activity you will find they are higher than in areas with low volcanic activity. Therefore we can surmise that higher temperatures increase volcanic activity. Tipping points are also possibly probable.

Ah, but which happens first?
The movie answer or the real one ?

The key point is that there's a temperature everywhere and it usually increases quite a bit during the course of daylight hours, we're doomed.

Everyone is only five degrees of separation from a banknote handled by a Koch.

[Einion Yrth]

turbobloke said:

Everyone is only five degrees of separation from a banknote handled by a Koch.

Currently they are, albeit indirectly, paying my wages; so they're obviously fine upstanding members of world society.

[robinessex]

Scottish Power says UK will need to boost capacity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bus...

Britain will need to boost its generation of electricity by about a quarter, Scottish Power has estimated.
The energy firm said electric cars and a shift to electric heating could send demand for power soaring.
Its chief executive also said there would have to be a major investment in the wiring necessary to handle rapid charging of car batteries.
Keith Anderson was speaking as the firm reached the milestone of 2,000 megawatts of wind power capacity................continues

No surprise there then.

[richie99]

Kawasicki said:

Don't know. I do know that if you measure air temperatures in areas of high volcanic activity you will find they are higher than in areas with low volcanic activity. Therefore we can surmise that higher temperatures increase volcanic activity. Tipping points are also possibly probable.

Or you could more reasonably surmise that volcanic activity results in heating of the surrounding air. In all the pictures I have seen of larva it looks pretty hot.

[robinessex]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

robinessex said:

Scottish Power says UK will need to boost capacity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bus...

Britain will need to boost its generation of electricity by about a quarter, Scottish Power has estimated.
The energy firm said electric cars and a shift to electric heating could send demand for power soaring.
Its chief executive also said there would have to be a major investment in the wiring necessary to handle rapid charging of car batteries.
Keith Anderson was speaking as the firm reached the milestone of 2,000 megawatts of wind power capacity................continues

No surprise there then.

Yet - you selectively clip as always.

Keith is a very firm believer in the renewables portfolio that SPR / Iberdrola are building across Europe BTW.


If you'd like to add to the clipping :

""Keep going, because that will bring costs down and make us more efficient for the future.
"If you stop now, the technology development stops, the innovation stops: the new jobs, the new roles, they all stop. You stop that for two or three years, and trying to restart it becomes more difficult and more expensive."
Most of the recent onshore wind developments have been in Scotland, focused on the south west.
The UK government has allowed much less onshore wind developing, in response to anti-turbine campaigners.
It has also left onshore wind out of the auctions which offer generators a minimum price for their energy.
These auctions have helped drive down the cost of renewable power, with offshore wind nearly halving in price."

Er, I did indicate the article continues, and gave a link to the story. Hence, not making selective quotes.

[Kawasicki]

richie99 said:

Kawasicki said:

Don't know. I do know that if you measure air temperatures in areas of high volcanic activity you will find they are higher than in areas with low volcanic activity. Therefore we can surmise that higher temperatures increase volcanic activity. Tipping points are also possibly probable.

Or you could more reasonably surmise that volcanic activity results in heating of the surrounding air. In all the pictures I have seen of larva it looks pretty hot.

You're getting confused between cause and effect. There is no lava present before the volcano erupts.

Do you have any scientific papers to back up your theory? Whoever has the most papers is correct!

[Terminator X]

robinessex said:

Scottish Power says UK will need to boost capacity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bus...

Britain will need to boost its generation of electricity by about a quarter, Scottish Power has estimated.
The energy firm said electric cars and a shift to electric heating could send demand for power soaring.
Its chief executive also said there would have to be a major investment in the wiring necessary to handle rapid charging of car batteries.
Keith Anderson was speaking as the firm reached the milestone of 2,000 megawatts of wind power capacity................continues

No surprise there then.

Surely we just need some / more hurricanes? Wind power!

TX.

[dickymint]

Terminator X said:

Surely we just need some / more hurricanes? Wind power!

TX.

Yep makes it much easier for The Wind Lords to take it in - just turn them off, sit back and still get paid

[dickymint]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

robinessex said:

Er, I did indicate the article continues, and gave a link to the story. Hence, not making selective quotes.

As normal. You selected the parts you wanted, to try and prove a point.

As normal. Read in context your point disappears.

As normal. You shoot the messenger.

Take it "Keith" is a friend of yours?

[Einion Yrth]

You seem to be becoming increasingly unhinged. Perhaps you should look into anger management courses.

[mybrainhurts]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Their called editors or internet trolls it seems.

Tut, tut and, indeed, tut...

[mybrainhurts]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

mybrainhurts said:

Tut, tut and, indeed, tut...

Noted and edited - autocorrect ineptness on an iphone

You'll be needing to sue Mr Apple....

[dickymint]

mybrainhurts said:

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

mybrainhurts said:

Tut, tut and, indeed, tut...

Noted and edited - autocorrect ineptness on an iphone

You'll be needing to sue Mr Apple....

A bad craftsman always blames his trolls

[The Don of Croy]

Anybody else hear this morning's BBC/Renewables puff piece?

Some arbitrary period of time has been chosen to highlight >50% renewable electricity generation, something that must be lauded. The enviro-boffo was wheeled out to express the significance, the work being done to (apparently) install mega batteries to store the spare energy, and the bright future when 'they' will tell consumers to switch on the tumble dryer 'cos there's too much juice in the grid.

At no point was anything mentioned about price. Not wholesale, retail, or any. Presumably too cheap to meter?

[robinessex]

Todays mad CC story

Climate change: Ministers should be 'sued' over targets

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41401656

Ministers should tighten the UK's official climate change target - or face the courts, the government's former chief scientist has said.
Prof Sir David King is supporting a legal case forcing ministers to shrink carbon emissions to zero by 2050.

The killer paragraph in the report ?

"It argues that Business Secretary Greg Clark is obliged under the act to tighten targets if the science shows it's needed. This is the basis of the case."

So how is Science going to show it's needed? Is all the existing so called Science going to be accepted as fact and correct, or is challenging it going to be allowed?


Has the world gone crazy ?

[PRTVR]

robinessex said:

Todays mad CC story

Climate change: Ministers should be 'sued' over targets

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41401656

Ministers should tighten the UK's official climate change target - or face the courts, the government's former chief scientist has said.
Prof Sir David King is supporting a legal case forcing ministers to shrink carbon emissions to zero by 2050.

The killer paragraph in the report ?

"It argues that Business Secretary Greg Clark is obliged under the act to tighten targets if the science shows it's needed. This is the basis of the case."

So how is Science going to show it's needed? Is all the existing so called Science going to be accepted as fact and correct, or is challenging it going to be allowed?


Has the world gone crazy ?

Yes it has gone crazy, but it's to be expected, their belief system is under attack, using the law is a logical option, it will be interesting to see how the law deal's with a religion.

[turbobloke]

In general terms it beggars belief that it's in this arena almost exclusively where intelligent fools can be seen as intelligent but not as foolish when fool credentials are in plain view. Presumably it has to do with politicians and politics. The science is ever less certain (recent paper - Myles Allen et al) and the nonsensical CCA should be repealed.

[turbobloke]

Earlier this month Jeffrey Moore a scientist at the NASA Ames Research Centre said:

 It turns out that Pluto undergoes climate variation and sometimes, when Pluto is a little warmer, the methane ice begins to basically 'evaporate' away.

Even on Pluto the warming comes first then the greenhouse gas levels increase...as happens on Earth for both methane and tax gas e.g. Monnin et al.

Plutonians will still be screwed without windymills and EVs. Or by them, also like us.