Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4

[kerplunk]

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

Antarctic sea ice may have reached its maximum extent on September 15, at 17.98 million square kilometers (6.94 million square miles), among the earliest maxima on record. If this date and extent hold, it will be the second-lowest daily maximum in the satellite record, 20,000 square kilometers (7,700 square miles) above 1986. Antarctic sea ice extent has been at record or near-record lows since September 2016. A series of recent studies have explored causes of the sudden decline in extent that occurred in austral late winter and spring of 2016. Most studies conclude that an unusual period of strong meridional winds—consistent with a very pronounced negative phase of the Southern Annular Mode index, coupled with a significant ‘wave-3 pattern’ in the atmospheric circulation—were the cause. A ‘wave-3 pattern’ refers to a tendency for circulation around the southern continent to resemble a three-leaf clover, rather than the more typical near-zonal.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

There - that's two reports from that antartic that don't mention AGW.

The science is settled. Everything bad is due to AGW.

Two reports, two? That is not enough...I can provide links to hundreds of scary headlines declaring that penguins may go extinct due to AGW.

But why bother when you can just project it onto any story whether it mentions AGW or not? You have become what you loathe

[Kawasicki]

kerplunk said:

But why bother when you can just project it onto any story whether it mentions AGW or not? You have become what you loathe

The story does mention AGW. What is your point?

[kerplunk]

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

But why bother when you can just project it onto any story whether it mentions AGW or not? You have become what you loathe

The story does mention AGW. What is your point?

Perhaps I'm blind - I don't see any mention in either story.

[Ali G]

And whilst we should not confuse Weinstein with science, it appears to me how an influencial absolute piece of merdre can abuse their position to screw careers of others in pursuit of personal gratification.

This is the ' Politics' thread after all!

[Kawasicki]

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

But why bother when you can just project it onto any story whether it mentions AGW or not? You have become what you loathe

The story does mention AGW. What is your point?

Perhaps I'm blind - I don't see any mention in either story.

The story is the plight of the penguins, and how they struggle/suffer, and that this is due to AGW.

[kerplunk]

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

But why bother when you can just project it onto any story whether it mentions AGW or not? You have become what you loathe

The story does mention AGW. What is your point?

Perhaps I'm blind - I don't see any mention in either story.

The story is the plight of the penguins, and how they struggle/suffer, and that this is due to AGW.

Nope still can't see it. Perhaps if you quoted the part where AGW is invoked?

[Ali G]

Huzzah!

CAGW is no more!

[Kawasicki]

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

But why bother when you can just project it onto any story whether it mentions AGW or not? You have become what you loathe

The story does mention AGW. What is your point?

Perhaps I'm blind - I don't see any mention in either story.

The story is the plight of the penguins, and how they struggle/suffer, and that this is due to AGW.

Nope still can't see it. Perhaps if you quoted the part where AGW is invoked?

Do a google news search for Penguins. It's all there. That's the story.

[LongQ]

On the BBC the version seemed to be reported as if it was a WWF press release that was attempting to manage the horrors (for the penguins) of too much ice and deflect it into a story about nasty humans fishing for krill and therefore unfairly affecting the penguin's main food source on top of the problems of the excessive journey times for the adults.

The obvious answer seems to me to allow the krill fishers (do we really have people who get on boats and head to the Antarctic to fish for krill? What do they do with it?) to fish, buy the krill from them and then run daily air drops to the penguins to ssave them the journey to the sea and back. No battles with whatever predators they would face either. A win win situation - providing the air drop was delivered by renewable energy powered plane or other type of flying device.

Perhaps they could train a flock of gulls or maybe a few long range albatrosses.

[Ali G]

Nasty humans not-hunting krill predators, whilst not melting sufficient Antarctic ice for penguins in illogical shock horror nonsense story for the sake of story.

Dribble.

[LongQ]

The krill fishing story as documented through Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krill_fishery

So may directions in which to point fingers, though it seems that UK and USA are not on the hook (so to speak) for this one.

The most recent culprit seems to be Norway and their ship registration agent Vanuatu. What irony.

[robinessex]

Todays Beeb CC story:-

Nasa carbon space observatory 'watches Earth breathe'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4160...

A Nasa satellite has provided remarkable new insights on how CO2 is moved through the Earth's atmosphere.
The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) tracked the behaviour of the gas in 2015/2016 - a period when the planet experienced a major El Niño event.
This climate phenomenon boosts the amount of CO2 in the air.
The US space agency's OCO satellite was able to show how that increase was controlled by the response of tropical forests to heat and drought.
The forests' ability to draw down carbon dioxide, some of it produced by human activity, was severely curtailed. ........................continues

Of course humans contribute to CO2. We breath the dam stuff out !!

[turbobloke]

Still no sign of the missing sink though (every discredited idea needs a missing something). I've suggested looking down the back of the sofa previously.

[robinessex]

And talking of Penguins..................................

Penguins die in 'catastrophic' Antarctic breeding season

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4160...

All but two Adelie penguin chicks have starved to death in their east Antarctic colony, in a breeding season described as "catastrophic" by experts.
It was caused by unusually high amounts of ice late in the season, meaning adults had to travel further for food................continues

To much ice !! Oh no, quick, lets emit an emergency does of CO2 to warm the little enclave up !!

[mondeoman]

So now we’ve got reports of penguins dieing because of too much ice, but Antarctic ice is at the lowest extent ever.

Another cagw conflict where both extremes are true? Or utter bullst.

[mybrainhurts]

robinessex said:

Todays Beeb CC story:-

Nasa carbon space observatory 'watches Earth breathe'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4160...

A Nasa satellite has provided remarkable new insights on how CO2 is moved through the Earth's atmosphere.
The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) tracked the behaviour of the gas in 2015/2016 - a period when the planet experienced a major El Niño event.
This climate phenomenon boosts the amount of CO2 in the air.
The US space agency's OCO satellite was able to show how that increase was controlled by the response of tropical forests to heat and drought.
The forests' ability to draw down carbon dioxide, some of it produced by human activity, was severely curtailed. ........................continues

Of course humans contribute to CO2. We breath the dam stuff out !!

Yup, but CO2 is bugger all of total greenhouse gas and our CO2 is bugger all of total CO2.

So, our CO2 is bugger all of bugger all ....

Clearly, we must try harder....

[turbobloke]

mybrainhurts said:

robinessex said:

Todays Beeb CC story:-

Nasa carbon space observatory 'watches Earth breathe'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4160...

A Nasa satellite has provided remarkable new insights on how CO2 is moved through the Earth's atmosphere.
The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) tracked the behaviour of the gas in 2015/2016 - a period when the planet experienced a major El Niño event.
This climate phenomenon boosts the amount of CO2 in the air.
The US space agency's OCO satellite was able to show how that increase was controlled by the response of tropical forests to heat and drought.
The forests' ability to draw down carbon dioxide, some of it produced by human activity, was severely curtailed. ........................continues

Of course humans contribute to CO2. We breath the dam stuff out !!

Yup, but CO2 is bugger all of total greenhouse gas and our CO2 is bugger all of total CO2.

So, our CO2 is bugger all of bugger all ....

Clearly, we must try harder....

By taking our cue from the Albert Gore Approach to AGW (Al Gore Wastefest) as discussed on a political forum stateside.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=117...

[mybrainhurts]

turbobloke said:

mybrainhurts said:

robinessex said:

Todays Beeb CC story:-

Nasa carbon space observatory 'watches Earth breathe'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4160...

A Nasa satellite has provided remarkable new insights on how CO2 is moved through the Earth's atmosphere.
The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) tracked the behaviour of the gas in 2015/2016 - a period when the planet experienced a major El Niño event.
This climate phenomenon boosts the amount of CO2 in the air.
The US space agency's OCO satellite was able to show how that increase was controlled by the response of tropical forests to heat and drought.
The forests' ability to draw down carbon dioxide, some of it produced by human activity, was severely curtailed. ........................continues

Of course humans contribute to CO2. We breath the dam stuff out !!

Yup, but CO2 is bugger all of total greenhouse gas and our CO2 is bugger all of total CO2.

So, our CO2 is bugger all of bugger all ....

Clearly, we must try harder....

By taking our cue from the Albert Gore Approach to AGW (Al Gore Wastefest) as discussed on a political forum stateside.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=117...

240B sums it up ------> Al Gore's success is a graphic statement on the stupidity of the American public, and how easily they are duped.

Not forgetting our durby....

[jshell]

robinessex said:

Todays Beeb CC story:-

Nasa carbon space observatory 'watches Earth breathe'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4160...

A Nasa satellite has provided remarkable new insights on how CO2 is moved through the Earth's atmosphere.
The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) tracked the behaviour of the gas in 2015/2016 - a period when the planet experienced a major El Niño event.
This climate phenomenon boosts the amount of CO2 in the air.
The US space agency's OCO satellite was able to show how that increase was controlled by the response of tropical forests to heat and drought.
The forests' ability to draw down carbon dioxide, some of it produced by human activity, was severely curtailed. ........................continues

Of course humans contribute to CO2. We breath the dam stuff out !!

Of course NASA supports efforts to combat climate change, they're making careers and a fortune by believing in it! It's all that's keeping NASA alive...

[Gandahar]

jshell said:

robinessex said:

Todays Beeb CC story:-

Nasa carbon space observatory 'watches Earth breathe'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4160...

A Nasa satellite has provided remarkable new insights on how CO2 is moved through the Earth's atmosphere.
The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) tracked the behaviour of the gas in 2015/2016 - a period when the planet experienced a major El Niño event.
This climate phenomenon boosts the amount of CO2 in the air.
The US space agency's OCO satellite was able to show how that increase was controlled by the response of tropical forests to heat and drought.
The forests' ability to draw down carbon dioxide, some of it produced by human activity, was severely curtailed. ........................continues

Of course humans contribute to CO2. We breath the dam stuff out !!

Of course NASA supports efforts to combat climate change, they're making careers and a fortune by believing in it! It's all that's keeping NASA alive...

Any facts to back that claim up?