Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4

[robinessex]

The Don of Croy said:

durbster said:

...To be reported by the news, there has to be - at the very minimum - a reliable source and some credible evidence...

Would this apply to those headline stories about Trump and his mysterious Russian controllers?

Of Course. Anyone remember the spoof stories of a Double Decker bus at the North Pole, and WW2 bomber on the moon !!!!. Complete with pictures

[kerplunk]

robinessex said:

durbster said:

Ali G said:

durbster said:

The point you're missing, deliberately or not, is that fringe views don't pass the quality control aspect of broadcasting, which is why nobody on climate change as you see it.

To be reported by the news, there has to be - at the very minimum - a reliable source and some credible evidence. You have neither, I'm afraid.

Well I think that you may have to define 'fringe views' and then justify why excluding 'fringe views' does not impair impartiality.

A fringe view would be one so detached from scientific understanding that the only person you can get to make the case is an ex-cabinet minister with absolutely no scientific background.

Unlike the present government and ministers and MP's with absolutely no scientific background and detached from scientific understanding who do support/believe AGW. Brilliant !!

err politicians going along with what all the scientific institutions charged with looking into the matter say about it isn't an example of politicians being 'detatched from scientific understanding'.

[Ali G]

Given that this area concerns matters of Environment, Climate and Anthroprogenic influence, it is more than likely that this has served as a Clarion Call to all Eco-Activists rangeing from the relatively benign through to totally barking Eco-Nazi humanity loathers to have a once in a lifetime opportunity to influence policy, it is surely important to be careful to determine the extent to which valid scientific opinion and advice remains untainted by the more extreme activist influences.

Imho, it sometimes appears difficult to differentiate.

[wc98]

Ali G said:

Jo Abbess Effect

had never heard of her , yet i knew she was an ugly belter just from that link. made to look the fool she is in one set of comments on her blog as well,what a fking roaster.
http://www.joabbess.com/2010/08/24/newsnight-compl...

[turbobloke]

She certainly made the on-side Woger Hawabin, primus inter pares of the beeb's ultra-believer wing, look like a prize plum when he rolled over to let Jo tickle his tummy.

[turbobloke]

Chemotherapy for a cold.

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/virtue-signal...

[Ali G]

wc98 said:

Ali G said:

Jo Abbess Effect

had never heard of her , yet i knew she was an ugly belter just from that link. made to look the fool she is in one set of comments on her blog as well,what a fking roaster.
http://www.joabbess.com/2010/08/24/newsnight-compl...

Slo Jo doesn't appear to be sharpest knife in the draw does she! Can only lead to speculation as to the towering intellect of the Harrabin.

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

Chemotherapy for a cold.

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/virtue-signal...

That seems to be a very well observed article.

There are so many things where intentions seem to be preferred to results.

Given that the western world has had a relatively stable, replacement level, population for years how have we suddenly arrived at the point of a housing crisis that means builders will be competing with Solar farm developers to convert the countryside from green to brown and concrete?

And how does it all square with with reducing "carbon" output?

Beyond the subject of "Climate Change" there would be so many more points to make .... but let's keep the discussion within the range of the topic in the thread title.

[wc98]

LongQ said:

turbobloke said:

Chemotherapy for a cold.

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/virtue-signal...

That seems to be a very well observed article.

There are so many things where intentions seem to be preferred to results.

Given that the western world has had a relatively stable, replacement level, population for years how have we suddenly arrived at the point of a housing crisis that means builders will be competing with Solar farm developers to convert the countryside from green to brown and concrete?

And how does it all square with with reducing "carbon" output?

Beyond the subject of "Climate Change" there would be so many more points to make .... but let's keep the discussion within the range of the topic in the thread title.

all excellent points, though far too mundane for those seeking to have their names noted in history for "saving the planet".

[Ali G]

It certainly appears that we're chasing the white rabbit down a hole for a long term engagement with the the man in the hat.

From memory, did not tech devolop then society adjust?

Seems that we have moved rapidly, under political guidance, to an as yet untested paradigm, where society will change and then tech will catch up.

Notwithstanding that the tech in question was binned yonks ago as 'failed'

[Ali G]

wc98 said:

all excellent points, though far too mundane for those seeking to have their names noted in historyfor "saving the planet".

Beware of what you wish for!

[robinessex]

wc98 said:

Ali G said:

Jo Abbess Effect

had never heard of her , yet i knew she was an ugly belter just from that link. made to look the fool she is in one set of comments on her blog as well,what a fking roaster.
http://www.joabbess.com/2010/08/24/newsnight-compl...

It appears that the Beeb is easily persuade by a completely bonkers moron to change CC stuff to suit her agenda. Just look at the comments in her blog. I note she ignores all those that pull her to bits. Is she related to Durbster by any chance?

[Ali G]

Slo Jo occupies only the lowly foothills of Eco-Activists - responses good or bad are left for all to see.

Nutty Dan, however, is Guru Status Eco-Fascist where only the most sycofantic may tread - totally lacking in any climate science qualifications and owned by Big Renewables.

[kerplunk]

Ali G said:

Given that this area concerns matters of Environment, Climate and Anthroprogenic influence, it is more than likely that this has served as a Clarion Call to all Eco-Activists rangeing from the relatively benign through to totally barking Eco-Nazi humanity loathers to have a once in a lifetime opportunity to influence policy, it is surely important to be careful to determine the extent to which valid scientific opinion and advice remains untainted by the more extreme activist influences.

Imho, it sometimes appears difficult to differentiate.

Likewise one could say the same about the anti side of the issue - a lot of politicized people, some quite extreme, care required.

[Ali G]

kerplunk said:

Ali G said:

Given that this area concerns matters of Environment, Climate and Anthroprogenic influence, it is more than likely that this has served as a Clarion Call to all Eco-Activists rangeing from the relatively benign through to totally barking Eco-Nazi humanity loathers to have a once in a lifetime opportunity to influence policy, it is surely important to be careful to determine the extent to which valid scientific opinion and advice remains untainted by the more extreme activist influences.

Imho, it sometimes appears difficult to differentiate.

Likewise one could say the same about the anti side of the issue - a lot of politicized people, some quite extreme, care required.

Indeed.

[LongQ]

Ali G said:

wc98 said:

Ali G said:

Jo Abbess Effect

had never heard of her , yet i knew she was an ugly belter just from that link. made to look the fool she is in one set of comments on her blog as well,what a fking roaster.
http://www.joabbess.com/2010/08/24/newsnight-compl...

Slo Jo doesn't appear to be sharpest knife in the draw does she! Can only lead to speculation as to the towering intellect of the Harrabin.

Ah!

Education at Warwick and Birkbeck.

Interesting.

"Warwick" seems to be a bit of a source of Greenthinking people.

Odd really since it's in Coventry.

Nothing to do with Warwick the town and not even in Warwickshire.

Interesting if a little schizophrenic.

[Northbloke]

turbobloke said:

Chemotherapy for a cold.

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/virtue-signal...

Thanks for that, love Matt Ridley (read a load of his books), very intelligent chap. Spot on as usual.

He's a scientist, why don't the Beeb get him on to provide balance if they don't like Lawson.

(Went to Warwick Uni (Maths), never met JoA, not an innumerate Green)

[Diderot]

kerplunk said:

robinessex said:

durbster said:

Ali G said:

durbster said:

The point you're missing, deliberately or not, is that fringe views don't pass the quality control aspect of broadcasting, which is why nobody on climate change as you see it.

To be reported by the news, there has to be - at the very minimum - a reliable source and some credible evidence. You have neither, I'm afraid.

Well I think that you may have to define 'fringe views' and then justify why excluding 'fringe views' does not impair impartiality.

A fringe view would be one so detached from scientific understanding that the only person you can get to make the case is an ex-cabinet minister with absolutely no scientific background.

Unlike the present government and ministers and MP's with absolutely no scientific background and detached from scientific understanding who do support/believe AGW. Brilliant !!

err politicians going along with what all the scientific institutions charged with looking into the matter say about it isn't an example of politicians being 'detatched from scientific understanding'.

I think it's clear that most 'climate scientists' are 'detached from scientific understanding'.

[El Guapo]

wc98 said:

Ali G said:

Jo Abbess Effect

had never heard of her , yet i knew she was an ugly belter just from that link. made to look the fool she is in one set of comments on her blog as well,what a fking roaster.
http://www.joabbess.com/2010/08/24/newsnight-compl...

Jo Abbess said:

There is no debate in Climate Change...
Andrew Montford’s view simply does not count...

Nobody could take this sort of nonsense seriously, could they?

[Ali G]

Northbloke said:

He's a scientist, why don't the Beeb get him on to provide balance if they don't like Lawson.

[Machiavelli] Beeb loves the Octogenarian non-scientist Lawson - to throw under a bus
[/Machiavelli]