Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
Greeny said:
Any thoughts on today’s BBC anouncement regarding ‘shocking’ 2016 rises in CO2
The newscaster on ITV News said CO2 was up by 50%. A classic example of an ignorant mouthpiece spouting what's put in front of them without querying it. It is actually the annual rate of rise that's 50% up on previously, not the absolute figure - allegedly.We're doomed, obviously.
kerplunk said:
dickymint said:
Who'd have thunked it.......what a coincidence!! There's a big bad boondoggle in Bonne next week 
Less conveniently (for conspiracy theorists) the WMO have been releasing an annual GHG bulletin at this time of year since 2006.LongQ said:
kerplunk said:
dickymint said:
Who'd have thunked it.......what a coincidence!! There's a big bad boondoggle in Bonne next week
Less conveniently (for conspiracy theorists) the WMO have been releasing an annual GHG bulletin at this time of year since 2006.Edited by kerplunk on Tuesday 31st October 01:50
kerplunk said:
LongQ said:
kerplunk said:
dickymint said:
Who'd have thunked it.......what a coincidence!! There's a big bad boondoggle in Bonne next week
Less conveniently (for conspiracy theorists) the WMO have been releasing an annual GHG bulletin at this time of year since 2006.Edited by kerplunk on Tuesday 31st October 01:50
Cheaper and potentially more credible than paying for advertising.
El stovey said:
A) It’s just more BBC biased reporting! Turbobloke’s wife said so!
B) It’s on loads of different news websites
A) It’s been done just because there’s some meeting coming up! How convenient!
B) it’s an annual report.
A) So it’s just annual propaganda!
B) It’s on loads of different news websites
A) It’s been done just because there’s some meeting coming up! How convenient!
B) it’s an annual report.
A) So it’s just annual propaganda!
It's all part of the goalpost moving exercises that are necessary to navigate the endless contradictions required to reject AGW.
A few weeks ago they were shouting correlation does not equal causation when shown how the temperature data correlates with CO2 rise (which is true). But now when a report is released and a meeting happens at a similar time, it is definitely proof of the conspiracy.
Edited by durbster on Tuesday 31st October 07:50
ksPaddy_N_Murphy said:
So is it true, or not?
Is what true r not?COP propaganda isn't true; was there something else lost in the non-evidence from agw believers?
The "shocking" carbon dioxide news for example?
Carbon dioxide levels are not evidence of global warming or climate change or climate chaos or any other fashionable name change for a natural phenomenon. Atmospheric composition changes occur continuously if you look closely. So what? Are some people making an assumption from tax gas to temps? Tut!
Oceans degassing carbon dioxide due to El Nino is hardly making news, as already indicated by other PHers, but it makes 'good' politics.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-sa...
Praise be to Gaia! Oceans with less dissolved carbon dioxide aka carbonic acid will be even more alkaline. Huzzah!
turbobloke said:
Oceans degassing carbon dioxide due to El Nino is hardly making news, as already indicated by other PHers, but it makes 'good' politics.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-sa...
Praise be to Gaia! Oceans with less dissolved carbon dioxide aka carbonic acid will be even more alkaline. Huzzah!
Huzzah! But those reports point to reduced photosynthesis and forest fires as the cause, not ocean outgassing. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-sa...
Praise be to Gaia! Oceans with less dissolved carbon dioxide aka carbonic acid will be even more alkaline. Huzzah!
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
FFS - its not just on the BBC.
And it is factual.
Remember Paddy et al that the BBC is funded by the State using its tax payers (and Capita) to collect the revenue based on the ability to receive their output.And it is factual.
You don't have to watch it to be legally obliged to couch up. Just be ABLE to watch or listen to what they pump out.
As I recall to fail to pay is still a criminal offence.
Thus almost no one is assumed to be exempt from paying for the BBC service unless they can prove they are old enough to qualify for a free licence.
I can choose freely which other media to buy into - but not if I do so via TV services where to be legally acceptable I have to buy a licence that help to fund the BBC.
That is the special privilege the BBC has and has always had from back when a licence was required for Radio receivers.
The fact of reporting a press release is no more than reporting a press release. I would think that at the time of release most of them are reported with little or no analysis due to the news time factor for newness and the lack of ability to do any analysis in house.
You get the message out that the press release wanted to push and then file it in the archives. Job done. It is very unlikely in most cases that anyone will revisit the content and even less likely that a resulting commentary will be given any prominence in the general media.
The BBC's charter should mean it functions differently to the mass media rabble that has to scrabble for revenue rather than receive government largess. It is meant to be balanced to reflect the broader interests of the whole society since pretty much the whole society pays for it whether they wish to or not.
It seems in most things news related it is not the case that they seek balance or alternative interpretations in a non-partisan way. Thus is not unreasonable to criticise them specifically given their funding arrangements, charter and somewhat global reach.
Edited by LongQ on Tuesday 31st October 12:40
The earth is not flat - says the supposedly impartial BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41399164
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41399164
Edited by kerplunk on Tuesday 31st October 12:25
Todays Beeb AGE & CC news
Emissions gap remains 'alarmingly high' says UN
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4180...
In its annual review, the UN says the gap between carbon cutting plans and the reductions required to keep temperature rises below 2 degrees Celsius is "alarmingly high".
Pledges made so far cover only one-third of the cuts needed by 2030 to keep below that goal, the review warns.
Even if all the promises are kept, temperatures might still rise by 3 degrees by 2100......................continues
Three sentences before we get a "might" word!!!!!!!!!!!!
""One year after the Paris agreement entered into force, we still find ourselves in a situation where we are not doing nearly enough to save hundreds of millions of people from a miserable future," said Erik Solheim, head of UN Environment."
How about saving the $Trillions being wasted on this crap, and save hundreds of millions of people from a miserable PRESENT ?
Emissions gap remains 'alarmingly high' says UN
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4180...
In its annual review, the UN says the gap between carbon cutting plans and the reductions required to keep temperature rises below 2 degrees Celsius is "alarmingly high".
Pledges made so far cover only one-third of the cuts needed by 2030 to keep below that goal, the review warns.
Even if all the promises are kept, temperatures might still rise by 3 degrees by 2100......................continues
Three sentences before we get a "might" word!!!!!!!!!!!!
""One year after the Paris agreement entered into force, we still find ourselves in a situation where we are not doing nearly enough to save hundreds of millions of people from a miserable future," said Erik Solheim, head of UN Environment."
How about saving the $Trillions being wasted on this crap, and save hundreds of millions of people from a miserable PRESENT ?
Edited by robinessex on Tuesday 31st October 13:11
Edited by robinessex on Tuesday 31st October 13:11
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