Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
Ali G said:
Gosh - this has been fun!
Same time, same place tomorrow?
Apologies - I need time to recharge my tinfoil and seek further advice from all of my cults!
Ali, do you know your profile has vanished? Perhaps it’s intentional but there’s a thread in website feedback where phased has had the same thing happen to him? Same time, same place tomorrow?
Apologies - I need time to recharge my tinfoil and seek further advice from all of my cults!
Perhaps it’s a cult thing?
Ali G said:
El stovey said:
Ali G said:
El stovey said:
dickymint said:
So which is it Stovey? Do you believe "the consensus" is not just a made up corrupt questionnaire? If you choose to answer please do not muddy the waters with other wafflings.
Yes, I believe there is a scientific concensus on AGW. He demanded to know “which is it”
Then a straight answer (if I choose which was a bit nicer)
Then he wanted no water muddying waffling.
Ali G said:
Gosh - this has been fun!
Same time, same place tomorrow?
Apologies - I need time to recharge my tinfoil and seek further advice from all of my cults!
Say goodnight ....................................Same time, same place tomorrow?
Apologies - I need time to recharge my tinfoil and seek further advice from all of my cults!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QosXM4e9uQ
El stovey said:
Ali G said:
I'll post this up here - it covers much of what has been and is being discussed.
Obviously, the cognoscenti will already be familiar with all of this...
https://judithcurry.com/2018/04/18/four-questions-...
Obviously, the cognoscenti will already be familiar with all of this...
https://judithcurry.com/2018/04/18/four-questions-...
Ali Gs article said:
While there is certainly a consensus among scientists that increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will increase the average surface temperature of the world above what it would have been otherwise
" there is far from a consensus that the rise in temperature will be large enough to be significant. (Bear in mind also that “what the temperature would have been otherwise” is also subject to natural variability and is therefore very uncertain). There is even less of a consensus among scientists, environmentalists and economists that any rise of temperature would necessarily be detrimental."
dickymint said:
And the rest of the paragraph...........................
" there is far from a consensus that the rise in temperature will be large enough to be significant. (Bear in mind also that “what the temperature would have been otherwise” is also subject to natural variability and is therefore very uncertain). There is even less of a consensus among scientists, environmentalists and economists that any rise of temperature would necessarily be detrimental."
Even the deniers admit there’s a consensus. Which makes him an idiot (or a liar) by your reasoning. He then discussed what extent he thinks planet will be affected by the AGW. " there is far from a consensus that the rise in temperature will be large enough to be significant. (Bear in mind also that “what the temperature would have been otherwise” is also subject to natural variability and is therefore very uncertain). There is even less of a consensus among scientists, environmentalists and economists that any rise of temperature would necessarily be detrimental."
Clearly there’s a consensus on AGW and not your “made up questionnaire” nonsense.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th April 23:36
Here's another of the half dozen papers I cited yesterday.
STEPHENS, G. et al. 2012. An update on Earth's energy balance in light of the latest global observations. Nature Geoscience: 5, 691–696.
This opportunity to review papers is obviously different to all the previous opportunities made available over the past few years, the outcome is bound to be a revelation (as per the Edenhofer 'same thing' translation). With the prospect of fence marks melting away from backsides it's so exciting scientifically and politically I can hardly wait
STEPHENS, G. et al. 2012. An update on Earth's energy balance in light of the latest global observations. Nature Geoscience: 5, 691–696.
This opportunity to review papers is obviously different to all the previous opportunities made available over the past few years, the outcome is bound to be a revelation (as per the Edenhofer 'same thing' translation). With the prospect of fence marks melting away from backsides it's so exciting scientifically and politically I can hardly wait
Another pointless echo chamber post from 'Spam.
If you have irrefutable proof of the AGW scam, then publish your findings in a reputable journal.
If proven correct, your name will be up in lights.
Why post in here? It makes zero sense unless the sources you quote are particularly weak, and don't stand up to scrutiny.
If you have irrefutable proof of the AGW scam, then publish your findings in a reputable journal.
If proven correct, your name will be up in lights.
Why post in here? It makes zero sense unless the sources you quote are particularly weak, and don't stand up to scrutiny.
After that ironically pointless and evidence-free echo of true belief, there's some political climate news from the US of A, where Scott Pruitt is making headlines (again). He first announced a ban on “secret science” in a March interview. Pruitt will now unveil the 'new' policy on Tuesday in the form of a proposed rule on data transparency.
Pruitt said:
We need to make sure (that) data and methodology are published as part of the record. Otherwise, it’s not transparent. It’s not objectively measured, and that’s important.
It always was, but with The Team practising secrecy to e.g. hide the decline, hide the cooling, hide anything that damages The Cause, it's still important. zygalski said:
Another pointless echo chamber post from 'Spam.
If you have irrefutable proof of the AGW scam, then publish your findings in a reputable journal.
If proven correct, your name will be up in lights.
Why post in here? It makes zero sense unless the sources you quote are particularly weak, and don't stand up to scrutiny.
Unfortunately none of these journals or institutions are reputable, they’ve all been infuriated by political agents, in order to redistribute wealth and do other liberal things. If you have irrefutable proof of the AGW scam, then publish your findings in a reputable journal.
If proven correct, your name will be up in lights.
Why post in here? It makes zero sense unless the sources you quote are particularly weak, and don't stand up to scrutiny.
So you’re left with, a scientist (possibly) publishing his findings in a car forum, peer reviewed by 4 blokes who aren’t scientists.
It’s a wonder the truth hasn’t got out yet.
Anyway I’m off before I get indoctrinated like the others and I become the sixth member of the cult. It’s been fascinating.
robinessex said:
I thought Durbster was the most dumb and stupid individual on the planet, as well as blessed with a myopic brain, but I now award this honour to El stovey.
Fascinating insight. Are you the one that works at CERN? Didn’t think so. It’s really a wonder you lot haven’t overturned the scientific consensus.
wc98 said:
El stovey said:
At least I haven’t got Stockholm syndrome.
lol, you are wilfully f
king ignorant on this topic though.now about that consensus, did you read any of the links provided ?Do you ever think you just might be backing the wrong horse?
You shouldn’t just blindly follow turbowaffle, there’s a big world of science outside this thread. I know it disagrees with your world view but at least you’d be thinking for yourself?
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/cli...
El stovey said:
.... there’s a big world of science outside this thread.
Yep. It's in the Science thread.For Politics related to "Climate Change", whether or not it involves activist scientists, and the hubris around the concept of "controlling it" to within guesswork originated parameters, this is a better place. (We don't want to make a mess of the Science Thread with politically inspired "facts" that are nothing of the sort. Or do we?)
El stovey said:
Yes, you’re the enlightened one and all these reputable institutions are wrong.
Do you ever think you just might be backing the wrong horse?
You shouldn’t just blindly follow turbowaffle, there’s a big world of science outside this thread. I know it disagrees with your world view but at least you’d be thinking for yourself?
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/cli...
i'm not the one ignoring the links that provide alternate evidence and view points to your claims. i was going to suggest having a look at my initial involvement in this thread a few volumes back, it may help you revise the claim re blindly following other posters. many moons ago i took the global warming claims at face value, based on my (turned out to be wrong) assumption of integrity and honesty in scientific institutions in general.Do you ever think you just might be backing the wrong horse?
You shouldn’t just blindly follow turbowaffle, there’s a big world of science outside this thread. I know it disagrees with your world view but at least you’d be thinking for yourself?
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/cli...
how wrong was the institution whose members held a consensus on the cause of stomach ulcers ? an ailment in a far less complex system than the climate.
i could describe how a little reading on another topic led to looking at the global warming debate a little closer before coming to the conclusion that the headlines in the msm regarding polar bears, disappearing atolls/islands, penguins, glaciers, snow, hurricanes, typhoons,sea levels, increased rates of warming and whole host of other claims with no scientific basis were either over egged or complete horse s
t. i feel it might be a waste of time though, as you can't be bothered to read a few links posted in here.the amo is past its peak of the warm phase. this is a good thing for the debate ,as in the next 10 to 20 years there will be some definitive answers in relation to just how big a part a major oceanic cycle had/has to play in the modest amount of warming some areas (note some areas have cooled over the same period, some have seen no change) have experienced. some people like to claim there is no debate, the debate is over etc. its not, not by a long chalk.
For climate fans wanting peer-reviewed papers to review, having missed opportunities provided in PH climate threads (it's never too late, you know) there are people out there with the same interest level who have kindly collated relevant papers for fenc-sitters to spend hours poring over. What better way to spend time while also being careful not to pollute threads with faith rather than politics or science? It makes sense :yes;
Nothing in recent climate variation (LTT) at pedestrian rates and to modest extents, is unprecedented
There's no anthropogenic signal visible in TOA radiative imbalance data, so no manmade warming exists to examine
There's no visible causal human signal in global climate data (temperature) so nothing exists to link cc to humans
The above demonstrate that there's no source for a non-existent increase extreme weather (increase requires cooling)
Climate models omit solar eruptivity forcings shown from data to be relevant to decadal climate change
The missing heat needed to sustain agw from freezing over is not in the oceans
Satellites show a warmer Earth is releasing extra energy to space
Climate model gigo arises for various reasons e.g. it's not all science, it's a lot of parameterisations
Models get core assumptions wrong so it's no surprise the tropical troposphere hot spot is missing
Clouds cool the planet as it warms but models can't cope adequately with this , more gigo
Not surprisingly climate models are wrong on a local, regional, or continental scale
If in the asbence of supporting empirical data we assume it’s warmed in the last few decades and assume further that it was all CO2,then feedbacks are zero and water vapour cab't save agw
It was as warm or warmer in the Minoan Warm Period, Roman Warm Period and Medieval Warm Period, but climate models can’t explain that, it wasn’t CO2 levels obviously
It's a pleasure to help fence-sitters and true believers with references for the above to assist with detailed checking, including many citations from the peer-reviewed literature with several courtesy of Jo Nova.
Anderegg, William R. L., James W. Prall,Jacob Haroldand Stephen H. Schneider(2010) Expert credibility in climate change, PNAS, 10.1073
Andrews, T. and Forster, P.M. (2008) CO2 forcing induces semi-direct effects with consequences for climate feedback interpretations , GeoPhys Res Letter, 35. [abstract]
Svensmark, H., Bondo, T. and Svensmark, J. (2009) Cosmic ray decreases affect atmospheric aerosols and clouds. Geophysical Research Letters 36: 10.1029/2009GL038429
Christy, J. R., W. B. Norris, R. W. Spencer, J. J. Hnilo (2007) Tropospheric temperature change since 1979 from tropical radiosonde and satellite measurements J. Geophys. Res., 112, D06102, doi:10.1029/2005JD006881
Kirkby, J. et al. (2011) Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation, Nature 476, 429-433
Bucha, V., (1991) Possible causes of enhanced greenhouse effect as due to natural and anthropogenic phenomena. Advances in Space Research, 11, 3, 55-60
Bucha, V., & Bucha, V. Jr. (1998) Geomagnetic forcing of changes in climate and in the atmospheric circulation. Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 60, 2, 145-169
Bucha, V., (2002) Long-term trends in geomagnetic and climatic variability. Physics and Chemistry of the Earth, Volume 27, Issues 6-8, Pages 427-431
Hu, F.S., Ito, E., Brown, T.A., Curry, B.B., and Engstrom, D.R. (2001) Pronounced climatic variations in Alaska during the last two millennia. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 98: 10552-10556
Landscheidt, T. (2003) New Little Ice Age instead of global warming? Energy & Environment 14: 2, 327–350.
Pielke Sr., R.A., (2003) Heat storage within the Earth system. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 84, 331-335.
Chapter 1 of the: Annual Report on the State of the Ocean and the Ocean Observing System for Climate. OCO,
Loehle, C., (2009) “Cooling of the global ocean since 2003,” Energy and Environment, Vol. 20, 101–104.
Douglass, D.H. and Knox, S.R. (2009) “Ocean heat content and Earth’s radiation imbalance,” Physics Letters A, 373, 3296–3300.
Pielke, R. A.., (2008) “A broader view of the role of humans in the climate system,” Physics Today Vol. 61, no. 11, 2008, pp. 54-55
von Schuckmann, K., F. Gaillard and P.-Y. Le Traon [2009] Global hydrographic variability patterns during 2003-2008. J. Geophys. Res., 114, C09007, doi:10.1029/2008JC005237
Knox, R. S. and D. H. Douglass (2010) Recent energy balance of Earth International Journal of Geosciences, 2010, vol. 1, no. 3
Lindzen, R. S., and Y.-S. Choi (2009) On the determination of climate feedbacks from ERBE data, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L16705
Lindzen, R. & Yong-Sang Choi, Y, (2011) On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity and Its Implications, Asia-Pacific J. Atmos. Sci., 47(4), 377-390
Wielicki, Bruce A, Takmeng Wong, Richard P Allan, Anthony Slingo, Heffery T Kiehl, Brian J Soden, C T Gordon, Alvin J Miller, Shi-Keng Yang, David A Randall, Franklin Robertson, Joel Susskind, Herbert Jacobowitz [2002] Evidence for Large Decadal Variability in the Tropical Mean Radiative Energy Budget, Science, Vol 295 no. 5556 pp 841-844, [Abstract] [Discussion]
Chen, J., B.E. Carlson, and A.D. Del Genio, (2002) Evidence for strengthening of the tropical general circulation in the 1990s. Science, 295, 838-841.
Cess, R.D. and P.M. Udelhofen, (2003) Climate change during 1985–1999: Cloud interactions determined from satellite measurements. Geophys. Res. Ltrs., 30, No. 1, 1019, doi:10.1029/2002GL016128.
Hatzidimitriou, D., I. Vardavas, K. G. Pavlakis, N. Hatzianastassiou, C. Matsoukas, and E. Drakakis (2004) On the decadal increase in the tropical mean outgoing longwave radiation for the period 1984–2000. Atmos. Chem. Phys., 4, 1419–1425.
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Christy J.R., Herman, B., Pielke, Sr., R, 3, Klotzbach, P., McNide, R.T., Hnilo J.J., Spencer R.W., Chase, T. and Douglass, D: (2010) What Do Observational Datasets Say about Modeled Tropospheric Temperature Trends since 1979? Remote Sensing 2010, 2, 2148-2169; doi:10.3390/rs2092148
Fu, Q, Manabe, S., and Johanson, C. (2011) On the warming in the tropical upper troposphere: Models vs observations, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 38, L15704, doi:10.1029/2011GL048101
McKitrick, R. and Vogelsang, T. J. (2011) Multivariate trend comparisons between autocorrelated climate series with general trend regressors, Department of Economics, University of Guelph
Stockwell, David R. B. and Cox, A. (2009) Structural break models of climatic regime-shifts: claims and forecasts, Cornell University Library, arXiv10907.1650
Miskolczi, Ferenc M. and Mlynczak, M. (2004) The greenhouse effect and the spectral decomposition of the clear-sky terrestrial adiation. Idojaras Quarterly Journal of the Hungarian Meteorological Service Vol. 108, No. 4, 209–251
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Miskolczi, Ferenc M. (2010), The Stable Stationary Value of the Earth’s Global Average Atmospheric Planck-Weighted Greenhouse-Gas Optical Thickness. Energy & Environment Vol. 21, 4, 243-263
Paltridge, G., Arking, A., Pook, M., (2009) Trends in middle- and upper-level tropospheric humidity from NCEP reanalysis data. Theoretical and Applied Climatology, Volume 98, Numbers 3-4, pp. 351-355
Zhang, M.H., Lin, W.Y., Klein, S.A., Bacmeister, J.T., Bony, S., Cederwall, R.T., Del Genio, A.D., Hack, J.J., Loeb, N.G., Lohmann, U., Minnis, P., Musat, I., Pincus, R., Stier, P., Suarez, M.J., Webb, M.J., Wu, J.B., Xie, S.C., Yao, M.-S. and Yang, J.H. 2005. Comparing clouds and their seasonal variations in 10 atmospheric general circulation models with satellite measurements. Journal of Geophysical Research 110: D15S02,
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Spencer, R.W., Braswell, W.D., Christy, J.R., Hnilo, J. (2007). Cloud and radiation budget changes associated with tropical intraseasonal oscillations. Geophysical Research Letters, 34, L15707, doi:10.1029/2007/GL029698
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Alexander, W., Bailey, F., Bredenkamp, B., van der Merwe, A., and Willemse, N. (2007) Journal of the South African Institution of Civil Engineering, 49, 2
Shaviv, N.J. (2008) Using the oceans as a calorimeter to quantify the solar radiative forcing. Journal of Geophysical Research 113: 10.1029/2007JA012989
Spencer, R., and W.D. Braswell. (2008). Potential biases in feedback diagnosis from observations data: a simple model demonstration. Journal of Climate, 21, 5624-5628.
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Spencer, R. W.; Braswell, W.D. (2011) On the Misdiagnosis of Climate Feedbacks from Variations in Earth’s Radiant Energy Balance, Remote Sens. 2011, 3, 1603-1613
Pielke Sr., R.A., 2003: Heat storage within the Earth system. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 84, 331-335
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If that's not enough to satisfy the high levels of interest being shown in this thread at the moment, I can provide a more comprehensive list with peer reviewed papers in convenient alphabetical order
which I constructed in one of the previous attrition loops when some uninformed believer or other claimed there were no/few (can't recall which) peer-reviewed papers that didn't support agw. This longer list provides an extensive list of papers not in support of agw junkscience. If fence-sitter and believer enthusiasm remain at current high levels it would only be fair to post this list to help others, a PH public service opportunity can't be allowed to go begging even in the politics thread.
Nothing in recent climate variation (LTT) at pedestrian rates and to modest extents, is unprecedented
There's no anthropogenic signal visible in TOA radiative imbalance data, so no manmade warming exists to examine
There's no visible causal human signal in global climate data (temperature) so nothing exists to link cc to humans
The above demonstrate that there's no source for a non-existent increase extreme weather (increase requires cooling)
Climate models omit solar eruptivity forcings shown from data to be relevant to decadal climate change
The missing heat needed to sustain agw from freezing over is not in the oceans
Satellites show a warmer Earth is releasing extra energy to space
Climate model gigo arises for various reasons e.g. it's not all science, it's a lot of parameterisations
Models get core assumptions wrong so it's no surprise the tropical troposphere hot spot is missing
Clouds cool the planet as it warms but models can't cope adequately with this , more gigo
Not surprisingly climate models are wrong on a local, regional, or continental scale
If in the asbence of supporting empirical data we assume it’s warmed in the last few decades and assume further that it was all CO2,then feedbacks are zero and water vapour cab't save agw
It was as warm or warmer in the Minoan Warm Period, Roman Warm Period and Medieval Warm Period, but climate models can’t explain that, it wasn’t CO2 levels obviously
It's a pleasure to help fence-sitters and true believers with references for the above to assist with detailed checking, including many citations from the peer-reviewed literature with several courtesy of Jo Nova.
Anderegg, William R. L., James W. Prall,Jacob Haroldand Stephen H. Schneider(2010) Expert credibility in climate change, PNAS, 10.1073
Andrews, T. and Forster, P.M. (2008) CO2 forcing induces semi-direct effects with consequences for climate feedback interpretations , GeoPhys Res Letter, 35. [abstract]
Svensmark, H., Bondo, T. and Svensmark, J. (2009) Cosmic ray decreases affect atmospheric aerosols and clouds. Geophysical Research Letters 36: 10.1029/2009GL038429
Christy, J. R., W. B. Norris, R. W. Spencer, J. J. Hnilo (2007) Tropospheric temperature change since 1979 from tropical radiosonde and satellite measurements J. Geophys. Res., 112, D06102, doi:10.1029/2005JD006881
Kirkby, J. et al. (2011) Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation, Nature 476, 429-433
Bucha, V., (1991) Possible causes of enhanced greenhouse effect as due to natural and anthropogenic phenomena. Advances in Space Research, 11, 3, 55-60
Bucha, V., & Bucha, V. Jr. (1998) Geomagnetic forcing of changes in climate and in the atmospheric circulation. Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 60, 2, 145-169
Bucha, V., (2002) Long-term trends in geomagnetic and climatic variability. Physics and Chemistry of the Earth, Volume 27, Issues 6-8, Pages 427-431
Hu, F.S., Ito, E., Brown, T.A., Curry, B.B., and Engstrom, D.R. (2001) Pronounced climatic variations in Alaska during the last two millennia. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 98: 10552-10556
Landscheidt, T. (2003) New Little Ice Age instead of global warming? Energy & Environment 14: 2, 327–350.
Pielke Sr., R.A., (2003) Heat storage within the Earth system. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 84, 331-335.
Chapter 1 of the: Annual Report on the State of the Ocean and the Ocean Observing System for Climate. OCO,
Loehle, C., (2009) “Cooling of the global ocean since 2003,” Energy and Environment, Vol. 20, 101–104.
Douglass, D.H. and Knox, S.R. (2009) “Ocean heat content and Earth’s radiation imbalance,” Physics Letters A, 373, 3296–3300.
Pielke, R. A.., (2008) “A broader view of the role of humans in the climate system,” Physics Today Vol. 61, no. 11, 2008, pp. 54-55
von Schuckmann, K., F. Gaillard and P.-Y. Le Traon [2009] Global hydrographic variability patterns during 2003-2008. J. Geophys. Res., 114, C09007, doi:10.1029/2008JC005237
Knox, R. S. and D. H. Douglass (2010) Recent energy balance of Earth International Journal of Geosciences, 2010, vol. 1, no. 3
Lindzen, R. S., and Y.-S. Choi (2009) On the determination of climate feedbacks from ERBE data, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L16705
Lindzen, R. & Yong-Sang Choi, Y, (2011) On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity and Its Implications, Asia-Pacific J. Atmos. Sci., 47(4), 377-390
Wielicki, Bruce A, Takmeng Wong, Richard P Allan, Anthony Slingo, Heffery T Kiehl, Brian J Soden, C T Gordon, Alvin J Miller, Shi-Keng Yang, David A Randall, Franklin Robertson, Joel Susskind, Herbert Jacobowitz [2002] Evidence for Large Decadal Variability in the Tropical Mean Radiative Energy Budget, Science, Vol 295 no. 5556 pp 841-844, [Abstract] [Discussion]
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If that's not enough to satisfy the high levels of interest being shown in this thread at the moment, I can provide a more comprehensive list with peer reviewed papers in convenient alphabetical order
which I constructed in one of the previous attrition loops when some uninformed believer or other claimed there were no/few (can't recall which) peer-reviewed papers that didn't support agw. This longer list provides an extensive list of papers not in support of agw junkscience. If fence-sitter and believer enthusiasm remain at current high levels it would only be fair to post this list to help others, a PH public service opportunity can't be allowed to go begging even in the politics thread.wc98 said:
i'm not the one ignoring the links that provide alternate evidence and view points to your claims. i was going to suggest having a look at my initial involvement in this thread a few volumes back, it may help you revise the claim re blindly following other posters. many moons ago i took the global warming claims at face value, based on my (turned out to be wrong) assumption of integrity and honesty in scientific institutions in general.
That’s classic brainwashing. You came in here with your own views based on science, then you got brainwashed by turbobloke and his politics (which presumably you also follow) now you find yourself at odds with the scientific community based on the postings of turbobloke. Extraordinary.
Seriously, you need to stop posting in here.
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