Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
Right, I’m now convinced you’re right turbobloke.
As unlikely as it looks, to anyone with common sense, you (we're) right and all those scientists and scientific institutions are wrong,
What we need now is a plan to show them the error of their ways and the mistakes they’ve made.
Let’s face it, continuously click and pasting other people’s homework in a car forum isn’t going to change ‘scientific consensus’ is it?
How exactly do we go about proving them wrong? If you’re a scientist how do you get the truth out there? What’s the method?
As you appear to be the only scientist here of any note, you ought to be able to sort it right? What do we do? I mean if we’ve got irrefutable evidence that we’re right, it ought to be easy.
Could you write one of those papers you keep quoting? We could all review it or we could get some real scientists to do it? Then we’ll be in line for some serious science awards.
Imagine that, knowing that the biggest mistake in scientific history was uncovered here, on pistonheads.
What other aspects of science can we prove wrong? There must be loads of others that are all rubbish like this climate science rubbish.
Soon they’ll talk about this car forum in the same breath as places like the royal academy of science and all the others that are about to be schooled by car forum experts!
As unlikely as it looks, to anyone with common sense, you (we're) right and all those scientists and scientific institutions are wrong,
What we need now is a plan to show them the error of their ways and the mistakes they’ve made.
Let’s face it, continuously click and pasting other people’s homework in a car forum isn’t going to change ‘scientific consensus’ is it?
How exactly do we go about proving them wrong? If you’re a scientist how do you get the truth out there? What’s the method?
As you appear to be the only scientist here of any note, you ought to be able to sort it right? What do we do? I mean if we’ve got irrefutable evidence that we’re right, it ought to be easy.
Could you write one of those papers you keep quoting? We could all review it or we could get some real scientists to do it? Then we’ll be in line for some serious science awards.
Imagine that, knowing that the biggest mistake in scientific history was uncovered here, on pistonheads.
What other aspects of science can we prove wrong? There must be loads of others that are all rubbish like this climate science rubbish.
Soon they’ll talk about this car forum in the same breath as places like the royal academy of science and all the others that are about to be schooled by car forum experts!
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 5th July 19:20
Ali G said:
If you lie on your left arm for a while, it feels as if someone else is doing it - or so I'm told.
You sound like an expert. No reason to believe you then. Seems odd that you’re part of a group (of five) that has uncovered a massive global scientific scam but you’re not interested in getting your information outside the forum?
That doesn’t make sense really.
El stovey said:
Ali G said:
If you lie on your left arm for a while, it feels as if someone else is doing it - or so I'm told.
You sound like an expert. No reason to believe you then. Seems odd that you’re part of a group (of five) that has uncovered a massive global scientific scam but you’re not interested in getting your information outside the forum?
That doesn’t make sense really.
El stovey said:
a group (of five) that has uncovered a massive global scientific scam but you’re not interested in getting your information outside the forum?
Another diversionary attrition loop full of nonsense, lucky thread!
You say there's a global scientific scam, but you're wrong. Not bad though, swapping scam for conspiracy to try to get more mileage out of the same old dreck, bet that took you ages to think up, it's ace.
The last time I offered an impromptu survey on a climate thread it was more like 20+ climate realists owning up against three or maybe four believers, though as always a consensus is meaningless so your five myth (assuming it applies here) and my twenty up survey don't matter.
Based on evidence in previous posts, PHers do share information outside the forum, not so much 'our' information (exception - tallbloke, possibly others including barry) but rather available data that the faith can't cope with. I share information in the form of published science and the data behind it in both scientific and political arenas outside PH. It's been covered in previous personal angle attrition loops anyway.
Your diversionary bunk is diversionary. There's still no empirical evidence of any anthropogenic forcing in TOA radiative imbalance, so agw is invisibly small, empirically non-existent - even so, true believers (TM, IPCC Lead Author) still believe in invisible things.
That's climate politics for ya and here's sopme more.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/07/05/epa-adminis...
El stovey said:
Right, I’m now convinced you’re right turbobloke.
As unlikely as it looks, to anyone with common sense, you (we're) right and all those scientists and scientific institutions are wrong,
What we need now is a plan to show them the error of their ways and the mistakes they’ve made.
Let’s face it, continuously click and pasting other people’s homework in a car forum isn’t going to change ‘scientific consensus’ is it?
How exactly do we go about proving them wrong? If you’re a scientist how do you get the truth out there? What’s the method?
As you appear to be the only scientist here of any note, you ought to be able to sort it right? What do we do? I mean if we’ve got irrefutable evidence that we’re right, it ought to be easy.
Could you write one of those papers you keep quoting? We could all review it or we could get some real scientists to do it? Then we’ll be in line for some serious science awards.
Imagine that, knowing that the biggest mistake in scientific history was uncovered here, on pistonheads.
What other aspects of science can we prove wrong? There must be loads of others that are all rubbish like this climate science rubbish.
Soon they’ll talk about this car forum in the same breath as places like the royal academy of science and all the others that are about to be schooled by car forum experts!
As unlikely as it looks, to anyone with common sense, you (we're) right and all those scientists and scientific institutions are wrong,
What we need now is a plan to show them the error of their ways and the mistakes they’ve made.
Let’s face it, continuously click and pasting other people’s homework in a car forum isn’t going to change ‘scientific consensus’ is it?
How exactly do we go about proving them wrong? If you’re a scientist how do you get the truth out there? What’s the method?
As you appear to be the only scientist here of any note, you ought to be able to sort it right? What do we do? I mean if we’ve got irrefutable evidence that we’re right, it ought to be easy.
Could you write one of those papers you keep quoting? We could all review it or we could get some real scientists to do it? Then we’ll be in line for some serious science awards.
Imagine that, knowing that the biggest mistake in scientific history was uncovered here, on pistonheads.
What other aspects of science can we prove wrong? There must be loads of others that are all rubbish like this climate science rubbish.
Soon they’ll talk about this car forum in the same breath as places like the royal academy of science and all the others that are about to be schooled by car forum experts!
Edited by El stovey on Thursday 5th July 19:20
Kawasicki said:
Only according to the midges and the ice cores. What do the models say?I'm quite happy having enough common-sense, scepticism and logic to see through AGW bulls
t thanks. PS. Remember the governments 'no such things as human mad cow disease' rubbish? Opps, sorry, there is actually !!! I also remember the ‘Nuclear energy will be dirt cheap’ claim, and ‘we've discovered gas in the north sea, it'll probably be free to users’. Finally, the 30 years ago, ‘we’re all going to freeze to death’ prediction. Have a nice day !!
t thanks. PS. Remember the governments 'no such things as human mad cow disease' rubbish? Opps, sorry, there is actually !!! I also remember the ‘Nuclear energy will be dirt cheap’ claim, and ‘we've discovered gas in the north sea, it'll probably be free to users’. Finally, the 30 years ago, ‘we’re all going to freeze to death’ prediction. Have a nice day !!zygalski said:
El stovey said:
...Imagine that, knowing that the biggest mistake in scientific history was uncovered here, on pistonheads.
Move over Nasa & the IPCC - we have Turbospam, robinessex, WC98 & Kawasicki
zygalski said:
El stovey said:
...Imagine that, knowing that the biggest mistake in scientific history was uncovered here, on pistonheads.
Move over Nasa & the IPCC - we have Turbospam, robinessex, WC98 & KawasickiWhat happens on PH is that this type of 'heretical' information contrary to agw doctrine is available rather than being suppressed, as it obviously is elsewhere.
Clearly NASA isn't the amorphous green blob that uninformed believers like to portray, and if somebody wants to appeal to its authority then don't forget Graeme Stephens given he's the Director of the Center for Climate Sciences at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and a Fellow of the Royal Society too
Clueless comedians who believe in invisible things going in for failed group smears as above, and yet another attrition loop kicks off
turbobloke said:
What happens on PH is that this type of 'heretical' information contrary to agw doctrine is available rather than being suppressed, as it obviously is elsewhere.
Too right turbobloke!The truth is only here in this forum, because it’s not being suppressed as it is elsewhere. Why can’t people see this?
Sure we’ve seen farther than others but that’s only because we’ve stood on the shoulders of bloggers.
But why are you still posting this angry dogma, now that we've got this unsuppressable truth out, what are we going to do with it?
You’re an actual scientist, stop pointlessly arguing with those that can’t see and actually do something scientific.
Who do we contact first with your huge collection of evidence? The mainstream media? The royal society?
With believers in raptures and environ mentalists dancing on Scott Pruitt's former career as the EPA's Administrator, news emergers that he's being replaced by Deputy Administrator Andrew Wheeler (currently Acting Administrator). Wheeler was an aide for Senator Jim Inhofe and is a reasonable likeness - in approach - to Marc Morano, also from the Inhofe camp. Given that Pruitt did an excellent job of dismantling years of Obama's glandular climate nonsense in mere months, if Wheeler gets the substantive post then expect more of the same. Good news - as long as he can withstand the abuse that Pruitt got from pathetic climate fairytalers with no substantive arguments on offer but big mouths aplenty and emotion ruling over reason. At least he knows the score.
DocJock said:
El stovey, have you ever thought of running for political office? Your skill at avoiding answering questions and your wilful ignorance would make you an ideal candidate.
Why are you asking me questions? I’m not the one with proof of this massive fraud. Turbobloke can prove scientists, scientific institutions and whole governments are colluding in this deception.
Why is he wasting his time posting in a car forum?
If you wanted to reveal such a historically large deception involving governments and scientific institutions would you be posting about it in here? I’d hope not because that would be pointless.
The Climate-Industrial Complex Finally Gets Their Man
http://www.carlineconomics.com/archives/4509
by Alan Carlin / Today
The Director of NASA's climate group leads research that shows no visible anthropogenic forcing exists in top-of-atmosphere radiative imbalance, i.e. any agw there is cannot be anything other tha immeasurably small - it cannot be analysed, obviously - in effect agw doesn't exist, and cannot be seen except through the eye of faith...so faith still sees it. Faith argues that NASA is some holy grail for the green religion when that's as daft as a brush but no data and no rational argument will shake it.
http://www.carlineconomics.com/archives/4509
by Alan Carlin / Today
Article said:
After an unprecedented, even for Washington, attempt to smear Scott Pruitt for the purpose of forcing President Trump to ask for his resignation, the Climate-Industrial Complex (CIC) finally got President Trump today to accept the resignation of Pruitt, his Administrator of the US Environmental Protection Agency.
The resources devoted to this effort by the CIC were far beyond anything I have ever seen over many years. The CIC apparently decided some months ago that if they could not prevail in the court of public opinion that their best course of action was to smear Pruitt for any and all alleged sins during his tenure in office. It worked. This is still another example of the CIC’s always sleazy tactics–only much lower than usual even for the CIC.
As to NASA, Dr G Stephens, and The Cause: evidence is no match for faith and won't stop the trolling it generates. The resources devoted to this effort by the CIC were far beyond anything I have ever seen over many years. The CIC apparently decided some months ago that if they could not prevail in the court of public opinion that their best course of action was to smear Pruitt for any and all alleged sins during his tenure in office. It worked. This is still another example of the CIC’s always sleazy tactics–only much lower than usual even for the CIC.
The Director of NASA's climate group leads research that shows no visible anthropogenic forcing exists in top-of-atmosphere radiative imbalance, i.e. any agw there is cannot be anything other tha immeasurably small - it cannot be analysed, obviously - in effect agw doesn't exist, and cannot be seen except through the eye of faith...so faith still sees it. Faith argues that NASA is some holy grail for the green religion when that's as daft as a brush but no data and no rational argument will shake it.
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