Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
LongQ said:
Political
Here's a border(line) issue, mainly political but crossing the border 
into science.The Trumpy Wall Threatens Biodiversity
Border Bioguardians said:
Fences and walls erected along international boundaries in the name of national security have unintended but significant consequences for biodiversity,” states the study published in the scientific journal BioScience, authored by 16 scientists and signed onto by thousands of others.
https://thinkprogress.org/scientists-warn-trumps-usa-mexico-border-wall-threatens-biodiversity-da9d226c0d68/Ali G said:
durbster said:
Well exactly. Even I as a layman have been able to see through the propaganda armed only with some basic Google-fu, so for anyone who has studied relevant subjects and already knows their stuff it must be mind-numbing.
And, as you say, the side-effect of getting all your information from limited sources is that I'm sure some don't realise just how far off the track they've gone.
The most important thing to remember about this thread is that it is absolutely not a debate about the facts. This is all about tribalism and ideology.
Is hilarious - layman armed wiith google-fu.And, as you say, the side-effect of getting all your information from limited sources is that I'm sure some don't realise just how far off the track they've gone.
The most important thing to remember about this thread is that it is absolutely not a debate about the facts. This is all about tribalism and ideology.
sorry - am editing that -on the basis that this has to be a fake post.
durbster said:
Ali G said:
durbster said:
Well exactly. Even I as a layman have been able to see through the propaganda armed only with some basic Google-fu, so for anyone who has studied relevant subjects and already knows their stuff it must be mind-numbing.
And, as you say, the side-effect of getting all your information from limited sources is that I'm sure some don't realise just how far off the track they've gone.
The most important thing to remember about this thread is that it is absolutely not a debate about the facts. This is all about tribalism and ideology.
Is hilarious - layman armed wiith google-fu.And, as you say, the side-effect of getting all your information from limited sources is that I'm sure some don't realise just how far off the track they've gone.
The most important thing to remember about this thread is that it is absolutely not a debate about the facts. This is all about tribalism and ideology.
sorry - am editing that -on the basis that this has to be a fake post.
Say it one more time and say it loud so that everyone can hear...
GOOGLE-FU
Ali G said:
durbster said:
Ali G said:
Google-fu.
Say it one more time and say it loud so that everyone can hear...
GOOGLE-FU
What are you on about? Have you never heard the term Google-fu?Say it one more time and say it loud so that everyone can hear...
GOOGLE-FU
turbobloke said:
There's more from that discussion if you'd like to go over it again, after a couple of attrition loops with false claims similar to the one above it became a time-saver to take note of what was being said.
I'm fine thanks - you'll just have to amuse yourself by browsing through your collection of screenshots and reliving your past glories. Just pretend I'm saying the same things again if it helps you feel 10 years younger.
turbobloke said:
LongQ said:
Political
Here's a border(line) issue, mainly political but crossing the border into science.The Trumpy Wall Threatens Biodiversity
Border Bioguardians said:
Fences and walls erected along international boundaries in the name of national security have unintended but significant consequences for biodiversity,” states the study published in the scientific journal BioScience, authored by 16 scientists and signed onto by thousands of others.
https://thinkprogress.org/scientists-warn-trumps-usa-mexico-border-wall-threatens-biodiversity-da9d226c0d68/LongQ said:
turbobloke said:
LongQ said:
Political
Here's a border(line) issue, mainly political but crossing the border into science.The Trumpy Wall Threatens Biodiversity
Border Bioguardians said:
Fences and walls erected along international boundaries in the name of national security have unintended but significant consequences for biodiversity,” states the study published in the scientific journal BioScience, authored by 16 scientists and signed onto by thousands of others.
https://thinkprogress.org/scientists-warn-trumps-usa-mexico-border-wall-threatens-biodiversity-da9d226c0d68/Vanden Saab said:
LongQ said:
turbobloke said:
LongQ said:
Political
Here's a border(line) issue, mainly political but crossing the border into science.The Trumpy Wall Threatens Biodiversity
Border Bioguardians said:
Fences and walls erected along international boundaries in the name of national security have unintended but significant consequences for biodiversity,” states the study published in the scientific journal BioScience, authored by 16 scientists and signed onto by thousands of others.
https://thinkprogress.org/scientists-warn-trumps-usa-mexico-border-wall-threatens-biodiversity-da9d226c0d68/On the other hand Offa's work was on a smaller scale and incomplete for any biodiversity wrecking so the West Wing remains unexplained for that perspective.
I wonder if we need another thread to gather the Social Engineering and Psychology angles of Climate Change together into a cohesive set of posts?
Fat chance of that working out on the basis of any current evidence.
gadgetmac said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I am not able to get my head around the sheer hypocrisy of those who claim that climate change has been caused by `man' but who then can see no problem, or cannot explain how globally creating up to 347 thousand more `man' per DAY is somehow not going to be a problem.
To whom in particular do you refer? I’ve not heard that argument from (m)any AGW supporters at all.Did you make that up?
Pan Pan Pan said:
gadgetmac said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I am not able to get my head around the sheer hypocrisy of those who claim that climate change has been caused by `man' but who then can see no problem, or cannot explain how globally creating up to 347 thousand more `man' per DAY is somehow not going to be a problem.
To whom in particular do you refer? I’ve not heard that argument from (m)any AGW supporters at all.Did you make that up?
From Canada via the GWPF.
Article said:
Ontario Tories have wasted no time gloating about what they’ve dubbed a “climbdown” from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on carbon pricing. In question period Wednesday, Progressive Conservative MPP Christine Hogarth lobbed softball questions to Environment Minister Rod Phillips on the federal government’s decision to increase the threshold at which heavy polluters will need to pay a price on carbon emissions.
The move is a response to competitive pressures, particularly from the United States where President Donald Trump has slashed corporate taxes and slapped tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. Hogarth said the Trudeau government has “finally come to terms with the ineffectiveness of their planned carbon tax,” and asked Phillips to weigh in.
The environment minister noted the changes come after “closed-door meetings” with industry stakeholders, as reported by The Globe and Mail. “This climbdown by the federal government is a signal that we have been right all along,” Phillips said, adding the Ontario government will oppose a “job-killing carbon tax” of any size. “I’m happy to see that Justin Trudeau woke up this morning and smelled the coffee,” Hogarth added.
Phillips told the legislature Wednesday that Tories will use every tool possible to oppose Trudeau’s environmental plan. “We did not fight a campaign to eliminate cap and trade just to have a job-killing carbon tax imposed,” he said.
https://www.thegwpf.com/canadian-tories-trudeaus-carbon-tax-climbdown-shows-we-have-been-right-all-along/The move is a response to competitive pressures, particularly from the United States where President Donald Trump has slashed corporate taxes and slapped tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. Hogarth said the Trudeau government has “finally come to terms with the ineffectiveness of their planned carbon tax,” and asked Phillips to weigh in.
The environment minister noted the changes come after “closed-door meetings” with industry stakeholders, as reported by The Globe and Mail. “This climbdown by the federal government is a signal that we have been right all along,” Phillips said, adding the Ontario government will oppose a “job-killing carbon tax” of any size. “I’m happy to see that Justin Trudeau woke up this morning and smelled the coffee,” Hogarth added.
Phillips told the legislature Wednesday that Tories will use every tool possible to oppose Trudeau’s environmental plan. “We did not fight a campaign to eliminate cap and trade just to have a job-killing carbon tax imposed,” he said.
turbobloke said:
No mention there of the so-called enhanced greenhouse effect, so nothing to debate
Well apart from in the first paragraph (twice) yes. Judith Curry said:
If you’ve followed the Skydragon threads, you can imagine the obtuseness, false accusations, deliberate misrepresentations, sophistry etc. that dominated these emails.
kerplunk said:
turbobloke said:
No mention there of the so-called enhanced greenhouse effect, so nothing to debate
Well apart from in the first paragraph (twice) yes.It looks like anything but chance that you cut-off quoting my post where you did.
kerplunk said:
Judith Curry said:
If you’ve followed the Skydragon threads, you can imagine the obtuseness, false accusations, deliberate misrepresentations, sophistry etc. that dominated these emails.
Ahead of AR6 we do well to remember the political bias inevitably present in IPCC advocacy.
In the words of an IPCC Lead Author not enamoured with the politics:
"virtually all of the IPCC Lead Authors are recommended by their governments"
"most of the participating Lead Authors lean toward a strong, centralised government approach to solving problems"
"political bias is innately sewn into the IPCC process no matter how much we might try to deny it"
In the words of an IPCC Lead Author not enamoured with the politics:
"virtually all of the IPCC Lead Authors are recommended by their governments"
"most of the participating Lead Authors lean toward a strong, centralised government approach to solving problems"
"political bias is innately sewn into the IPCC process no matter how much we might try to deny it"
Green Europe Stagnates as India Gives the Green Light for Shale Revolution
https://www.thegwpf.com/while-europe-declines-indi...
https://www.thegwpf.com/while-europe-declines-indi...
Article said:
India’s cabinet approved on Wednesday a policy to allow companies to explore and exploit unconventional oil and gas resources such as shale oil and gas and coalbed methane under the existing production sharing contracts, as it aims to reduce its dependency on energy imports.
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